Medical Marijuana for the Disabled and Dieing

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Whether or not the substance is good or bad to the individual overall is not the issue, pills that may or may not be on average bad for an individual are still locked away and secure for prescription only.

Due to the distribution and availability at ease, the substance is dangerous enough as it is overall due to that, if totally legalized it would be everywhere, which is the true danger. Having said that and it being a fact of ease of production, still it is a medicine and just like pills not self-prescribed, only patients should have access and practice responsible methods of storage. This is so that seeds in the medicine do not result in external distributions for non-medical thus illegal conducts.

It is a medicine, one that requires responsibility, which many lacking responsibility if totally legalized would have.

If you have a real medical need, then like any medicine that requires the approval of a doctor, go see one.

Well if weed was legalized for recreational users and regulated by government like other substances then it would be easier to ensure vulnerable people would not suffer any harm.

Seems more like a subtle threat.

OR your talking about criminals selling it, that being gone?

You argued that it should not be legalized. My point is that if there was a regulated system for distribution of mj the way there is for other substances then there would be controls in place so that these alleged vulnerable people you are concerned about would not not suffer any alleged harm associated with its cultivation or use. That is the essence of the harm reduction argument, that legalization and regulation of mj would allow government to control who has access to it and who does not.

Has anyone seen the documentary called "Grass" with narration by Woody Harrelson? It's available through Limewire or Kazaa. It's very interesting.

It is a medicine and should be legalized for that, not total legalization. For patients only.

i've seen it. interesting documentary on how propaganda against weed has changed through the years....and obviously the government is still lying today about pot.


what a waste of my money to enforce an idiotic law that does more harm than good.

Oh sure, it's easy to hate the government. IT can make you popular by response to the mutual despondencies in any statement against a popular dislike.

But I know you don't have the truth yourself, nor does the protectivism of older folk in office of those being brought up now in the upcoming generations. After all who would want a drug culture of hippies but stoners, how could anyone entrust a nation to stoners?

Seriously, you want to legalize a controlled substance for everyone to use because you want it yourself. By that desire yourself turning into actions of words said here, your willing to make it legal and having it readily available and when it does it will be so easily obtained by others of childhood age, yet you seem not to care.

By keeping it illegal and having it used properly like other medicines that are not legal without prescription it helps with all of that potential harm your willing to do just for your high.

Yet, to you its an idiotic law to keep a substance as altering as this illegal substance to everyone but whom needs it that you are so willing to jeopardize others for your addiction.

A medicine is a medicine; you don't take pain pills for fun do you?

Last edited by sc on 14 Apr 2006, 6:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I take it youve seen the aforementioned video then sc?

another good one to check out is 'hemp revolution'

No I've never watched the hippies hemp revolution.

you keep on arguing about children getting the drugs but i have news for you: DEALERS DON'T CARD. if anything, keeping it illegal only encourages younger kids to get it an do it.

are you really that gullible to think that keeping it illegal keeps it out of anyone's hands and makes it safer?

it's a casual drug just like alcohol. in fact, alcohol has numerous more related deaths than weed ever has.

and i'm not a hippie. hippies are the ones crying bloody murder over illegals not having the same rights as legal immigrants and other americans.

and about pain pills for fun, i know people who do that. in fact, it's quite common. but i guess that means those should be made illegal too because people abuse them....then i guess alcohol and tobacco should be illegal too....so when does the paternal government stop? when every single possibly dangerous act is made illegal? you don't like bungee jumping either? how about rock climbing? what about driving? oh wait...we got seat belt laws....which were pushed by insurance companies....and yet insurance rates don't go down for people who have a history of wearing their seatbelts.

the government that you want is a fascist industry of control and protection. but you can't forget the words of thomas jefferson: "A government that is large enough to supply everything you need is large enough to take everything you have."


i'm not a hippie. i'm a libertarian revolutionist. not communist, not socialist. i am an american.



/wow i belong in new hampshire or vermont....
//live free or die

What a great example of a load of horse poo from the exreme librarians. Every political party seems to have it's exremes.

Did you trip over your ego on the brilliant self-affirmation or was it part of your current episode, wrongplanet.net reality T.V.

Protectivism vs. Total Freedom, is protectivism really taking freedoms away or securing them?

Protectivism might be the result of security, the assurance of the survival and or security due to threats. Is it then always fascist if there is a reality that exist as a result of dangers no matter what?

Should the psychological manifestations of anti-government conspiracy riddles be amounted to the fault of the government or the factual reality of national security truths. That are non-avoidable due to the reality of threat.

The delusions against ones own government as produced previously in another persons posts are not sarcasms it seems. Is protectivism as a policy enacted necessarily fascist or were the remarks originating from the subconscious dealings with the psychological ramifications of the state of national securities and impending dangers?


So what to make of it?

okay, let's look at the facts:

the effects of pot: varies from person to person but in general ammounts to a passive intoxication that lasts a couple hours similar to alcohol but without the hangover. it isn't physically addictive and you don't get dope sick if you don't smoke after you've smoked a few times. with it illegal, there is no government standard to make sure that it is clean of any other kind of additives or substances that would endanger the user. with it being illegal, the only people who deal it are criminals who more likely than not engage in other illegal activities too in a lot of cases. this endangers the user moreso by having to affiliate with these individuals. the worthless potheads would still be worthless potheads and the people who smoke pot but are in the closet would beable to come out and say they do it and show that people can live a healthy, normal life and occassionally smoke weed for recreation.


now where and how would you refute any of this?

there are far more negatives of keeping pot illegal than making it legal for casual use. you blow out of proportion the reaction of who uses pot and how much....and you also seem to believe that everyone can use it and use it to extremes. that's simply not true, though....there are many people who have tried pot and simply passed because they decided it was not for them or it affected them in a way they didn't enjoy. also, you can smoke too much and have a bad time with pot, it's not like as if you can smoke all the time and be happy...there are some people who can do that...but there are also some poeple who can drink all the time and be happy....and i dunno about you, but i can't stand to drink every day and still function in any kind of capacity or even want to try to drink every day.


so now instead of simply calling me a librarian*, how about you actually say something logical that there is actually some sort of basis for and not just simply overexaggerated conservative scare-tactics....to put it in metaphor.....don't tell me that married gay parents raising kids will raise gay kids.....prove it to me with actual facts.


oh wait....the government has too strict of regulations right now for you to provide any kind of accurate information other than that put out by the government which has proven they can't be trusted about the effects of marijuana before (their story has changed more times than the menendez brothers' story).




*btw, i don't work with books**(though i do read them for fun), i test video games for a living right now


**i think you meant to call me a liberal***

***though those darned librarians are refusing to give up the information about who has checked out what books because they feel it's a violatoin of a person's rights....freedom hating bookworms!! !

This means I have to read the radical legalization politics who commonly suffer from the inability to understand why it is M.J is so dangerous.

1. Distribution capabilities if legalized would allow it to grow freely, that those plants could become as frequent as growing on the side of the road or in fields of weeds. Pot heads would agree, this to be a paradise scenario for them. Yet even if not, the availability of the substance would be increased dramatically and everyone wanting that high including in schools could easily obtain access, more so then now.

It’s a unique substance that can be grown and readily used from the plant, despite it being a plant it is a drug and that drug happens to have medicinal values but is not for everyone.


2. To the pot head, his or her high is more important then future generations, for instance cigarettes and alcohol have been known to destroy, M.J in the same sense could be more accessible if legalized and would in fact be used more frequently resulting in the causal ramifications of how the individual utilizes it and how that usage effects that person subjectively

Most of what is said, is rendered to dispute establishment (government) claims as a conspiracy of propaganda, is politically based making references to politics I am not party of such as conservative and relatively respondent to an addiction pattern proclaimed of the individual.

Promoting the usage of a drug like this, absent from known medicinal values is just wrong and goes against the better judgments of what is best. A drug like this should not be used unless a doctors prescription is given and it is used for a specific treatment and only for that.

I would suggest that people taking M.J now for non-medical related issues talk to your doctor for the real facts. Not online opinions from potheads or political agenda based biases but a medical professional.

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Your Fired!

1. this argument basically says that because it is so easily grown that it should be completely and outright made illegal. this is illogical and counterintuitive to the idea that if someone else is doing the work for you, you won't do the work. you don't see many people growing their own tobacco plants or brewing their own alcohol....it happens but is by far the exception and not the rule. i would dare to say that after a generation or two, this would also be the case for many people with marijuana. it is certainly not an easy process to grow and properly cure marijuana for consumption....the only reason why there is such a high instance of personal growth and curing is more because it is illegal. you have mass producers and make it illegal to grow outside of commericial industry and you would all but eliminate the smaller businesses eventually. just like the death of the mom and pop record store. the availability wouldn't be altered any outside that there would be legal basis to keep it from being sold or distributed to minors. right now there is no such legal basis and it's considered illegal in general and the people who sell it aren't concerned about age. you get such a product into a 7-11 and into legitimate businesses where they can be tracked who they sell to and illegal use would more likely than not diminish or stay the same. your scenario really doesn't have any kind of basis. look into the history of alcohol for that and what happened when it was made illegal and then re-legalized. you also seem to generalize that anyone who uses pot casually is a pothead...which is about as fair and accurate of a statement as saying that anyone who consumes alcohol is an alcoholic.


2. i am not simply disputing the legality to challenge the government but rather disputing the legality because the current legal status and attitude taken towards the drug is wrong and is mostly inconsistant with policy with alcohol....which is by and far a more dangerous product and results in far more deaths and ruined lives as result of its abuse than weed ever has.

i'll tell you what a medical professional would say about marijuana if they're being honest and are actually knowledgable about the subject: 1. any kind of smoke is bad for you and your lungs and scar your lungs and reduce lung capacity and your ability to breathe and can also lead to emphazema. 2. in many cases, though, not all; marijuana can lead to serious damage to both the short-term and long-term memory. 3. frequent abuse of marijuana can lead to a lower activity level in some individuals. 4. it is not recommended that anyone operate any heavy machinery or drive while intoxicated. 5. if you or your family has a history of addiction or abuse of any substances, you should avoid using marijuana.


it's all common sense stuff but nothing that is to any extreme that it should be treated any differently from alcohol or cigarettes. the only point that you do have is that it is easy to grow (though the curing process does provide limited challenge) and that can easily be solved by the need to purchase a license to grow the product and be fined if you are found growing illegally.


you talk about saving future generations like as if it will doom humanity for it to be legalized...which is simply an overeggaration of a substance that is a minor threat to society, at best. simply put: the people who are gonna mess up their lives are gonna mess it up one way or another...laws or not. and making it illegal simply makes people who are otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals.



by the way: happy joey lawrence day. whoa!

All you desire to do is legalize it despite the harm it will do.

Additionally you’re a very bad example, promoting the use of a medicine and drug for everyone.

You might be the type that would dispute evidences of it being bad, and then say perhaps it is your right to do so anyways.

Are you really willing to legalize it and make it much more available then it is now so that the harm it does do to at least some would increase into a larger populous of people?

Willing to make yet another drug with reduced costs, increased availability and ease of production unlike tobacco and alcohol where more effort is placed into production available to everyone?

This is a serious issue, one in which I think a better judgment has been made to keep it illegal but circumstanced of medicinal value need be allowed. Like certain medicines require a persciption and a pharmacy, it is illegal otherwise.

Some plants are poisonous, some are mind altering and or addictive.