06 Jan 2021, 7:13 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
You lost me when you got to all the "deep state" sh*t.
Me too. 
06 Jan 2021, 7:38 pm
06 Jan 2021, 8:31 pm
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06 Jan 2021, 9:12 pm
KT67 wrote:
If you like Dixie, you're not American either btw.
That's the entire southern half of the US
07 Jan 2021, 5:22 am
cyberdad wrote:
KT67 wrote:
If you like Dixie, you're not American either btw.
That's the entire southern half of the US
They were traitors.
And seceded for bad reasons too. States rights to do what exactly?... Ultimate racism.
America is at least built on some kind of hope of equality. OK the founding fathers had slaves but the vague promise was one of freedom.
Bit like France after the revolution.
So extending that freedom is extending the American dream. And owning slaves makes you lazier than anyone who ever needed to collect disability pay. "I don't want to bother working so I'm going to own people and force them to work instead"
07 Jan 2021, 5:25 am
Jiheisho wrote:
magz wrote:
What is "deep state"?
Sounds like some state of mind.
Like Russia. Russia is a state of mind. Or at least we have such meme here.
(Sorry for going tangent, I guess I should have gone to sleep some time ago)
Sounds like some state of mind.
Like Russia. Russia is a state of mind. Or at least we have such meme here.
(Sorry for going tangent, I guess I should have gone to sleep some time ago)
The "deep state" is a conspiracy theory that believes there is a government within the government that is really controlling the US. And this government is run by Obama or some other perceived villain.
Jiheisho wrote:
Although, you could say that Russia has been running the US through their "useful fool." So maybe there is something to it.
No no no, Russia as a state of mind is not really political, it's things like this:
07 Jan 2021, 5:52 am
KT67 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
KT67 wrote:
If you like Dixie, you're not American either btw.
That's the entire southern half of the US
They were traitors.
And seceded for bad reasons too. States rights to do what exactly?... Ultimate racism.
There seems to be mass denial over the reasons for the confederacy - you can see it in the civil war reenactments. Antebellum mansions, sipping tea on the porch overlooking estates and dressing up in confederate outfits.
07 Jan 2021, 5:57 am
07 Jan 2021, 6:08 am
07 Jan 2021, 6:20 am
cyberdad wrote:
KT67 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
KT67 wrote:
If you like Dixie, you're not American either btw.
That's the entire southern half of the US
They were traitors.
And seceded for bad reasons too. States rights to do what exactly?... Ultimate racism.
There seems to be mass denial over the reasons for the confederacy - you can see it in the civil war reenactments. Antebellum mansions, sipping tea on the porch overlooking estates and dressing up in confederate outfits.
I don't think the bunch that went side by side with guys carrying Swastikas last night are in denial of it though.
And southern Black people don't tend to fly it.
I agree in theory that it can be nice to be proud of one's region but there needs to be a non-racist rebuilding of what that means for people in the south of the USA. Black and white and Latino people coming together to be proud of what they have there, make country music liberal again, etc. There's more to the modern American south, and actually to parts of its history, than its worst elements.
07 Jan 2021, 6:31 am
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07 Jan 2021, 8:09 pm
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07 Jan 2021, 8:16 pm
KT67 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
KT67 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
KT67 wrote:
If you like Dixie, you're not American either btw.
That's the entire southern half of the US
They were traitors.
And seceded for bad reasons too. States rights to do what exactly?... Ultimate racism.
There seems to be mass denial over the reasons for the confederacy - you can see it in the civil war reenactments. Antebellum mansions, sipping tea on the porch overlooking estates and dressing up in confederate outfits.
I don't think the bunch that went side by side with guys carrying Swastikas last night are in denial of it though.
And southern Black people don't tend to fly it.
I agree in theory that it can be nice to be proud of one's region but there needs to be a non-racist rebuilding of what that means for people in the south of the USA. Black and white and Latino people coming together to be proud of what they have there, make country music liberal again, etc. There's more to the modern American south, and actually to parts of its history, than its worst elements.
One possible alternate focus of southern pride could be the Anti-Confederate resistance in the south, such as Newton Knight, a Confederate army deserter who carried on guerrilla warfare against the Rebel cause in the heart of Dixie.
Sherman in fact made mention of Knight and his fighters, calling them Southern Yankees. After the war, Knight took part in Reconstruction, and even married a black lady who had been part of his guerilla fighting force. His descendants still live in Mississippi. I think he'd make a marvelous replacement for Robert E. Lee.
