I don't want my third vaccine

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18 Dec 2021, 8:12 pm

Do you mean Omicron?



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18 Dec 2021, 8:33 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Do you mean Omicron?


Yeah. Just being a nerd here.

The [older] anti-spike antibodies from the vaccines should limit severity at least, and if it's less severe, then that looks good, at least when it comes to individual risk there. It's a strange mutant. Basically if it was grabbed from several years in the future and brought back through time, but that's what forced evolution does in an immunocompromised host. Looks like someone with HIV, since its t-cell epitopes aren't changed much, just antibody binding ones; the antibodies were attacking the virus but unable to clear it as the individual didn't mount much of a t-cell response, so it adapted to the antibodies as they were the selective pressure on it. It seems to give up some of its replication fitness to evade antibodies, so less viral load. Tissue tropism might have changed too due to interesting features, and it looks like it doesn't like the lungs as much. That's good.



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18 Dec 2021, 8:35 pm

I hope I get Pfizer again because my body seems to like that. But I heard if you have had Pfizer twice you don't have it the third time, instead you have moderna or something. I don't know if it's true or not.

I'm under 50 and I'm on the contraceptive pill, does that mean I'm more likely to have a blood clot after the booster?

Also hearing so often on WP that autism = autoimmune diseases or heart problems makes me freak out and think that I have some sort of underlying health issues that I don't know about.


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18 Dec 2021, 8:45 pm

I’m autistic. I’m fortunate not to have autoimmune or heart problems.



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18 Dec 2021, 8:50 pm

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I’m autistic. I’m fortunate not to have autoimmune or heart problems.


According to some members here you should have died years ago, or from the vaccines. Or covid. You have proved them wrong, my friend!


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18 Dec 2021, 9:01 pm

This pandemic has made me feel like we're all being watched and will be punished if we don't obey any rules. Since my aunt has been tested positive she has received endless emails demanding her to download the track and trace, but she doesn't want to. I don't agree with track and trace either. I feel you are being watched, like Big Brother, once you have that on your phone.

I believe it should be every man for himself now. Lockdowns and closing retail businesses are a waste of time and cost the government millions. Track and trace is just a threat to our freedom and privacy. I've become paranoid about getting covid, so I'm just avoiding social gatherings for now and I'm risking my life getting my third jab. The bug is in the air, so forcing lockdown after lockdown does f**k all. So while I'm freaking out about covid, I'm still strongly against lockdowns.

Boris Johnson - wake up and stop being such a douchebag.


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19 Dec 2021, 2:53 am

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Us refuseniks seem to be alright in the UK so far, unlike in Germany and Austria where they are toying with the idea of mandatory vaccination and Australia who appear to be nonchalantly constructing concentration camps for the unvaccinated.

I don't tell lies about your country so don't tell lies about mine.


Yet, here are some NT elders talking about their people being rounded up and put in the camps.
Are they all lying too?

LINK : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7-p3Tnfyac

and here is a link to the same kind of facility being constructed on a larger scale in Victoria.
Yes, they claim it's only for incoming travelers, but the Northern Territory made that exact same claim for the camp that they are now using to intern those aboriginals.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nation ... 58zxj.html



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19 Dec 2021, 3:55 am

Joe90 wrote:
I hope I get Pfizer again because my body seems to like that. But I heard if you have had Pfizer twice you don't have it the third time, instead you have moderna or something. I don't know if it's true or not.


Its not true. You get what ever is available at the vaccine centre. My daughter had Pfizer booster and Pfizer for the first two.


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19 Dec 2021, 4:02 am

Joe90, have you considered examining the question from a different angle.

Is their a number of boosters that would be "too much", 4, 10, 25?
Is their a booster that would be "one Booster too many" for you?

You don't need to tell me, it's more about asking the question of yourself.



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19 Dec 2021, 7:32 am

My first two doses were Pfizer, as was my booster. I'm feeling like you are coming across a lot of people who like to freak others out.

As for why there are so many shots, it is because the virus keeps on evolving as it spreads through the world. If countries had nipped this in the bud, there wouldn't be an issue. Now though, we have variants that mean vaccinated people still get infected, it just controls their symptoms. So, based on how things are, with many not even caring to protect themselves or others (no, I'm not talking about vaccines but basic things like testing yourself when you have symptoms + wearing a mask if you can etc) there will most likely be more boosters, especially as companies scramble to make vaccines to fit new variants that pop up. People don't seem to are about others and sadly we are having to pay for it.

I think having a lot of family in either medicine or science research means that I'm not that worried about vaccines. I don't get why so many freak out about them and not medicines. I also am at risk and to be honest find it hurtful that so many would like to let a disease rip through the country that could kill me and those I care about. I'm not saying people should be forced to be vaccinated, if anything, I think that it is harmful to the whole cause, but I wished people cared about others more and the world didn't make us so suspicious :(



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19 Dec 2021, 11:05 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I’m autistic. I’m fortunate not to have autoimmune or heart problems.


This is a Good thing.

I do have autoimmune issues but they are easily managed by diet.

I wish you a long life, preferably a happy one.



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19 Dec 2021, 12:55 pm

babybird wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I hope I get Pfizer again because my body seems to like that. But I heard if you have had Pfizer twice you don't have it the third time, instead you have moderna or something. I don't know if it's true or not.


Its not true. You get what ever is available at the vaccine centre. My daughter had Pfizer booster and Pfizer for the first two.


I don't want the AZ one though, as I heard that has more risk of blood clots in people under 50.


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19 Dec 2021, 1:07 pm

You won't get the AZ one. They're not giving that one for boosters.

I was just saying that that was the one that was most risky so you should be OK.


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19 Dec 2021, 6:27 pm

SpiceWolf wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Mikah wrote:
Us refuseniks seem to be alright in the UK so far, unlike in Germany and Austria where they are toying with the idea of mandatory vaccination and Australia who appear to be nonchalantly constructing concentration camps for the unvaccinated.

I don't tell lies about your country so don't tell lies about mine.


Yet, here are some NT elders talking about their people being rounded up and put in the camps.
Are they all lying too?

LINK : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7-p3Tnfyac

and here is a link to the same kind of facility being constructed on a larger scale in Victoria.
Yes, they claim it's only for incoming travellers, but the Northern Territory made that exact same claim for the camp that they are now using to intern those aboriginals.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nation ... 58zxj.html

More dishonesty. The claim was that Australia is "constructing concentration camps for the unvaccinated". Saying that a quarantine facility for incoming travellers is a "concentration camp for the unvaccinated" is a lie and an insult to people who have been in actual concentration camps. The incoming travellers in this facilities have already been vaccinated or they wouldn't have been permitted to come here in the first place so they're certainly not placed "for the unvaccinated"

Ok, show me where they claimed built a camp in the northern territory which they claimed was for incoming travellers and then put aboriginals in that camp? The only evidence they made that claim is your assertion and antivaxxers are liars.

The video says they were made to stay inside their community. Making people stay in their towns due to COVID isn't something Australia has reserved exclusivity for aboriginals. It's happened to a lot of towns while they were in lockdown. It's called quarantine. In case you haven't noticed there's a contagious disease going around. Saying that's a concentration camp is dishonesty.

The video says the vaccine is a bioweapon. That's just fear mongering. The ironic thing about antivaxxer fear mongering is that they make people scared of things that aren't harmful while telling them not to be scared of things that actually are harmful (like the virus).

The only way you can support your fear mongerous claims of things like "concentration camps" is by looking for any sort of restriction on people's freedom and calling it a "concentration camp". Without exaggeration, you have nothing.


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20 Dec 2021, 5:06 am

I agree with the person above.
I am clearly irritated by seeing misinformation everywhere and then very surprised to see it even here and to see history manipulated for political purposes.



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20 Dec 2021, 5:19 am

Checkbox wrote:
I agree with the person above.
I am clearly irritated by seeing misinformation everywhere and then very surprised to see it even here and to see history manipulated for political purposes.


Me too, it frightens me because it's hard to know what to believe.


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