Wars... and how to talk to children?

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25 Feb 2022, 5:32 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s not fair that the Ukranian people have to face upheaval like this.

Even the Russian-speaking people in the East are against the invasion.

Even many Russians in Russia.

If you think the economy was bad in Russia before this—it’ll get much worse because of Putin and his ego.


xi is helping to mitigate the effects of the sanctions against pootin.
xis working in tandem with pootin.
This is an axis of evil that is watching each other's backs.
Once Ukraine is taken over, it will be xi's turn to take over Taiwan.
It is a tag-team "wrestling match".



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25 Feb 2022, 5:34 pm

I'll tell you what:

Putin is certainly acting like Hitler, in many ways.

These Maidan folks are on the fringes.....similar to how "neo-Nazis" are on the fringes in the United States.



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25 Feb 2022, 5:38 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
There have been massive protests to the Ukranian invasion in Russia with many arrests. I give them credit for that.


They are braver people than I am. Kudos to them.

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I only wish we had that kind of movement in the U.S., but sadly, nobody seems to care about America's wars.


To be fair, many people in the west are still preoccupied with tearing down any racist statues that hiding in the community. :mrgreen:



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25 Feb 2022, 5:40 pm

r00tb33r wrote:
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Pure and simple, Putin wants to return to the boundaries of the USSR—then go from there.

He’s ex-KGB. He believes in autocracy.

His mindset is just like the Tsars.

I don't know what his deal is. Rumor has it even his cabinet thought the troop build-up on the border was a bluff.

Indeed it's an armed conflict over something that should have been solved through a political process. I guess Zelensky hadn't seen The Godfather recently.


It is clear to me and magz what pootin wants. :wink:



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25 Feb 2022, 5:53 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Imagine.....if, somehow, antiwar Russians could expand their movement and threaten Putin's hold on the government?

Weirder things have happened...

That'd be awesome.

Last night I was thinking about how Putin came into power and recalled that he wasn't even elected into power... Originally. He worked his way up through the party ranks on the national security and organized crime side of things, during the time when Boris Yeltsin was swapping premiers (VPs) every few months, Putin was another fresh face. In the New Year's address on December 31st 1999 he resigned and transferred the presidency to Putin, likely with pressure from security services and organized crime. At least that's how I recall it.

Those early years were rather curious when it seemed like he was trying to productively engage with the West. I guess he became discouraged seeing his efforts rejected in the West. It would be interesting to know what was on his mind at various points.



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25 Feb 2022, 5:57 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Putin is an unprincipled person.

He's an "ends justifies the means" type. He'll say anything under the Sun in order to gain some advantage. This trait is why Donald Trump admires him so, and believes he is "smart." And why ex-US Secretary of State Pompeo called him a clever statesman.

He spoke of a "genocide" of Russian speakers in the far-eastern portion of Ukraine which was demonstrably not true.

He's spoken so many demonstrative untruths in the lead-up to the present war.

I would take anything Putin says with more than a smidgen of salt.

We have to get out of the Autocratic mindset, so Mankind could evolve further.

We don't need Putin/Trump types in any position of leadership.


pootin is a clinical psychopathic killer, and that is how he wants people to see him.
He was advertising how he could assassinate any dissident he wanted to throughout the world.
Another stalin.
pootin absolutely revels in his notoriety.
pootin is 99% ego. lol

Did you see the news clip where he was humiliating his own cabinet members, toying with them as a cat does with a mouse, making them change their position on the spot to whatever he wanted them to say?
This is the mark of a clinical psychopath.
A total power monger.
I have experienced this type of person/creature first hand on a number of occasions.

A smidgen of salt?
Are you serious?
You can't trust *anything/k* a dictator says.
If they happen to speak the Truth, it is a sheer accident or a method of manipulation.
The same applies to xi, obviously.
How can *any* reasonably intelligent person consider the idea that dictators have *any* integrity or credibility whatsoever? 8O :mrgreen:

The simple rule of thumb, and a total constant throughout history:
"Might makes right", no matter how many people hug trees. 8)



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25 Feb 2022, 6:02 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Imagine.....if, somehow, antiwar Russians could expand their movement and threaten Putin's hold on the government?

Weirder things have happened...


Don't hold you breath.
It didn't work with hitler.
It didn't work with stalin.
It won't work with pootin.
You have my promise and your left testicle on that. 8)



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25 Feb 2022, 6:07 pm

r00tb33r wrote:
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And you believe Russians are free of such elements?

I edited my post.

No. Like I said, not picking sides here. It's just hard to see where the "good guys" are.


I hope you aren't creating a binary, here.
There are neo-nazi/nationalistic elements in most/every society.



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25 Feb 2022, 6:11 pm

magz wrote:
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No. Like I said, not picking sides here. It's just hard to see where the "good guys" are.

Good guys - maybe you can have some point. No one on Earth is a saint.
Bad guys - I have no doubt. I mean, invading another country because you don't like their election results is f*****g evil and there's nothing sophisticated about it.


Also, the election in Belarus was illegal and the result was sanctioned by trump pootin, wasn't it?
I don't know that much about it.



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25 Feb 2022, 6:50 pm

It was a fake election in Belarus. It probably had Putin's blessing.

It's a pity----the Slavic lands have a special beauty to them.

There's lots of beautiful places in the world which have lousy governments.