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06 Jul 2024, 10:24 pm

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You're just relying on deflection from the root cause CD. As long as you continue to start from the premise that Israel's actions must be justified you'll continue to be an enabler for their genocidal actions.


No, I am asking you to agree, Israel has the right to exist, it's people deserve to be unmolested.

People have already said that they weren’t against Israel existing in this very thread. You keep on making the same points in threads related to this topic and people give you the same responses. It might prove beneficial to reread previous threads/posts instead of bringing up the same arguments and questions that have already been responded to many times before. Just an idea. As it stands, threads keep on getting derailed.

If Israel wants peace, they need to stop being the aggressor.



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07 Jul 2024, 12:58 am

TwilightPrincess wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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You're just relying on deflection from the root cause CD. As long as you continue to start from the premise that Israel's actions must be justified you'll continue to be an enabler for their genocidal actions.


No, I am asking you to agree, Israel has the right to exist, it's people deserve to be unmolested.

People have already said that they weren’t against Israel existing in this very thread. You keep on making the same points in threads related to this topic and people give you the same responses. It might prove beneficial to reread previous threads/posts instead of bringing up the same arguments and questions that have already been responded to many times before. Just an idea. As it stands, threads keep on getting derailed.

If Israel wants peace, they need to stop being the aggressor.


Last time I checked Israelis were at peace when HAMAS attacked, murdered and raped (and livestreamed doing it) young people who were your son's age on Oct 7th 2023.



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07 Jul 2024, 1:07 am

It’s not cool to try to appeal to my emotions using my son or the word “rape,” so in the future, don’t do it.

Even if things were peaceful in Israel at the time, things weren’t so pleasant and never have been for the people they’re oppressing. Oct. 7th did not occur in a vacuum.



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07 Jul 2024, 1:38 am

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Even if things were peaceful in Israel at the time, things weren’t so pleasant and never have been for the people they’re oppressing. Oct. 7th did not occur in a vacuum.


the difference is HAMAS have used Oct 7th as a way to make Israel retaliate. to add to all the atrocious things they have done, they ultimately using Palestinian civilians as targets for the IDF, they are happy to use women and children in Gaza as human shields.

HAMAS is a snake in the grass and the population of Gaza is the grass they are hiding in,



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07 Jul 2024, 5:34 am

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HAMAS is a snake in the grass and the population of Gaza is the grass they are hiding in,


No the population is not grass or any other kind of vegetation. They are people, innocent bystanders.


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07 Jul 2024, 2:39 pm

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Last time I checked Israelis were at peace when HAMAS attacked, murdered and raped (and livestreamed doing it) young people who were your son's age on Oct 7th 2023.


Meanwhile it's well-documented Israel tortures and rapes detainees up the ass with objects including sticks and electric prods.

But you choose to ignore than because it's the designated victims doing it.

Also, the human shields narrative has already been debunked.



The only human shields are the ones being used by Israel.



You just repeat hasbara CD.


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07 Jul 2024, 2:44 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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You're just relying on deflection from the root cause CD. As long as you continue to start from the premise that Israel's actions must be justified you'll continue to be an enabler for their genocidal actions.


No, I am asking you to agree, Israel has the right to exist, it's people deserve to be unmolested.


I've never said Israel doesn't have a right to exist, only that with how much they've already stolen from the Palestinians that they're the side that needs to make compromises for peace rather than just keep stealing and murdering.


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07 Jul 2024, 4:23 pm

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I've never said Israel doesn't have a right to exist,


Ok that's a good starting point. We live in a post-colonial world where peace should be the aim. Yes, Israel now needs to be bought to the negotiating table, it's probably the only way any remaining surviving hostages will be returned. Israel is obliged to pay compensation for the immediate aftermath of the Gaza incursion. this can still be salvaged.



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07 Jul 2024, 6:37 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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I've never said Israel doesn't have a right to exist,


Ok that's a good starting point. We live in a post-colonial world where peace should be the aim. Yes, Israel now needs to be bought to the negotiating table, it's probably the only way any remaining surviving hostages will be returned. Israel is obliged to pay compensation for the immediate aftermath of the Gaza incursion. this can still be salvaged.


So, will you stop carrying water for the people who wish to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians?


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08 Jul 2024, 1:37 am

funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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I've never said Israel doesn't have a right to exist,


Ok that's a good starting point. We live in a post-colonial world where peace should be the aim. Yes, Israel now needs to be bought to the negotiating table, it's probably the only way any remaining surviving hostages will be returned. Israel is obliged to pay compensation for the immediate aftermath of the Gaza incursion. this can still be salvaged.


So, will you stop carrying water for the people who wish to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians?


I have already said there is no reason to kill Palestinian civilians. It literally falls into HAMAS trap, Israel should have done better. I am in favour of compensation for all the Palestinian victims.



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08 Jul 2024, 10:36 am

It’s impossible to compensate for the massive loss of human life that has occurred and is occurring.

I’m not against Israel existing although I AM against it existing in its current form and with its ongoing policies and leadership.



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08 Jul 2024, 2:31 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
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So, will you stop carrying water for the people who wish to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians?


I have already said there is no reason to kill Palestinian civilians. It literally falls into HAMAS trap, Israel should have done better. I am in favour of compensation for all the Palestinian victims.


Are you willing to acknowledge that Israeli actions give the Palestinians zero good options? Literally the options that exist for them are slowly be wiped out of existence or fight back while slowly being wiped out of existence.

If you were in their shoes which would you pick?


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08 Jul 2024, 4:23 pm

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Last time I checked Israelis were at peace when HAMAS attacked, murdered and raped (and livestreamed doing it) young people who were your son's age on Oct 7th 2023.

See?? This is what I've been saying!
Its exactly like my situation! I broke into the house I live in now and forced the people living there to move into the basement! They agreed to those peace terms with the barrel of my gun in their face! Reasonable, perfectly reasonable peace terms!
But those BARBARIANS decided they hate peace! Those pieces of subhuman FILTH LIED when they said they wanted peace!! !! They routinely attack me and my family as if we have no right to live here. I, the most pro-peace person in the universe, make a policy of killing one of their children every time they try to pull that sh-t. Yet they keep resisting! They must hate me more than they want me to stop killing their children and forcing them to live in the basement! Maybe if I murder more of their children they'll stop being so radical....

^^^^^^^this is all I hear when Zionists act like Palestinians are the ones who are warmongers. Zionists started the war, then decided "This is fair now! This is how things should be! This is just!". Zionists must think Native Americans were a bunch of bloodthirsty barbarians for trying to kick white people off the lands those white people stole! No wonder Zionists are hostile to Native Americans, and Africans, and the Irish! Zionists hate brown people (and Europeans who aren't European enough) who don't kiss Europeans' a$$es when the Europeans threaten them with violence.


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08 Jul 2024, 5:29 pm

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No wonder Zionists are hostile to Native Americans, and Africans, and the Irish! Zionists hate brown people (and Europeans who aren't European enough) who don't kiss Europeans' a$$es when the Europeans threaten them with violence.

Most nation states were built this way. Europeans and Chinese still exploit anyone who isn't European or Chinese. Long live the empire.



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08 Jul 2024, 5:33 pm

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Are you willing to acknowledge that Israeli actions give the Palestinians zero good options? Literally the options that exist for them are slowly be wiped out of existence or fight back while slowly being wiped out of existence.

If you were in their shoes which would you pick?


I think if black South Africans or African Americans can use peaceful methods to live with their previous oppressors then the Palestinian people need to choose this option. Violence against the State of Israel has not worked for them. clearly Israel also has relied too heavily on right wing regimes to respond to Arab (Palestinian and Lebanese) aggression and they too have made the wrong choice.



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08 Jul 2024, 5:36 pm

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It’s impossible to compensate for the massive loss of human life that has occurred and is occurring.

I’m not against Israel existing although I AM against it existing in its current form and with its ongoing policies and leadership.


How exactly do you think Germany, White South Africans and Japan can run around pretending they are good decent world citizens? they paid compensation. If these former mass murderers (who dwarf Israel in crimes against humanity) can do it why can't Israel do the same?