Denmark PM: "Stop The Threats" Of US Annexing Greenland
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He knows, that's why he never suggests AIPAC register as a foreign lobby.
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Can't a bunch of qualified specialists come together and declare him certifiably insane and have him removed by force?
You mean the 25th Amendment?
It exists, but would require a bunch of MAGA officials to agree Trump is unfit to serve.
No Trump and the MAGA cult collapses, I don't see the MAGA cult signing off on disbanding the cult.
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Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.
'Old wine in a new bottle': Greenland negotiations resemble an earlier deal
Trump might have backed down from his threats and only pretending to get anything in return to save face. Or maybe he didn't know the details of the US-Danish deal dating back to 1951.
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Trump’s posturing over Greenland has changed the transatlantic alliance forever, European officials say
Article quotes from EU politicians:
“In recent months, what we did, I feel, was a mistake,” he said. “We’ve chosen … flattering diplomacy. We therefore decided to appease the White House. And what is the effect? The only effect is it’s fueled more and more ambition and more and more progression in the rhetoric. … It doesn’t work.”
“The old world order is unraveling at a breathtaking pace,”
“We must invest massively in our ability to defend ourselves. We must rapidly make our economies competitive. We must stand closer together, among Europeans and among like-minded partners.”
“Europe is not yet ready to stand alone. It is going to take at least five to 10 years until we are on a somewhat similar level with the United States armed forces.”
"The transatlantic relationship as we’ve known it for decades is dead.”
“Do we want to be a vassal, a humiliated vassal, forever, or do we want to be able to be master of our destiny?”
My comment: Finally the leaders of EU seem to be wakening up. Better late than never.
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“Europe is not yet ready to stand alone. It is going to take at least five to 10 years until we are on a somewhat similar level with the United States armed forces.”
"The transatlantic relationship as we’ve known it for decades is dead.”
“Do we want to be a vassal, a humiliated vassal, forever, or do we want to be able to be master of our destiny?”
My understanding is these specific comments ^^^
are from individual EU politicians and don't represent all Danish or EU members. Comments sound desperate, short-sighted and weak.
Trump and MAGA will capitulate, I think many in MAGA are nervous about handing global trade and security on a platter to Russia and China.
I am trusting the US people and people of Europe will see sense. If not everyone is doomed over a block of ice in the north sea that (ironically) Denmark colonised at the expense of the native Greenland people.
Communists and nationalists in Russia and China will see this as either poetic justice or karma or the culmination of 500 years of global terrorism inflicted by European colonists on the rest of the world. Rampant greed and capitalism ultimately destroying itself.
But for all our sakes let's hope common sense prevails.
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Can't a bunch of qualified specialists come together and declare him certifiably insane and have him removed by force?
You mean the 25th Amendment?
It exists, but would require a bunch of MAGA officials to agree Trump is unfit to serve.
No Trump and the MAGA cult collapses, I don't see the MAGA cult signing off on disbanding the cult.
It won't collapse. If Trump is removed, Vance takes over, and he'll take it to extreme new levels. And even then, Trump would still control everything behind the scenes.
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“Europe is not yet ready to stand alone. It is going to take at least five to 10 years until we are on a somewhat similar level with the United States armed forces.”
"The transatlantic relationship as we’ve known it for decades is dead.”
“Do we want to be a vassal, a humiliated vassal, forever, or do we want to be able to be master of our destiny?”
My understanding is these specific comments ^^^
are from individual EU politicians and don't represent all Danish or EU members.
In its annual threat assessment Denmark’s military intelligence service is for the first time pointing out the US as a pontential security threat to Denmark. Of course these quotes are only rerpresenting Denmark's and EU:s official stance, not every single member or person. I would guess your Danish brother in law for example has a different opinion.
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Greenland galvanizes Europe to confront new US reality
NEW EUROPEAN DOCTRINE
Europe also plans to toughen up on economic policy.
Next month it will kickstart legislation that will include "Made in Europe" requirements on strategic sectors and strengthening conditionality clauses for any foreign direct investment in the EU.
"Some provisions were originally conceived to reduce reliance on China but in reality they will help us to de-risk from other markets," European Commissioner for Prosperity and Industrial Strategy Stephane Sejourne told Reuters.
"This will totally change the European doctrine on those sectors," Sejourne added.
Unlike Canada, there is no plan in Europe to pivot more towards China to compensate for transatlantic strains. But the bloc is actively pursuing others in a diversification drive.
While the impact of higher U.S. tariffs on European goods is not clear - in fact Europe's trade surplus with the U.S. initially rose over the course of 2025 as companies front-loaded exports ahead of the new levies - recent data shows that German companies nearly halved investments there last year.
After the signing of the EU-Mercosur pact this month - the largest in EU history - European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said it is now "on the cusp" of a deal with India.
However, nobody is saying Europe can redress the imbalance with the U.S. overnight, particularly on security.
Despite European commitments to a defence spending surge and even calls for an EU army, analysts say it will be years before its military might is up to tasks which now include bolstering Arctic security.
The question is whether the past few weeks provide a catalyst for Europe to start reducing its U.S. dependencies.
"All this is not surprising," Swedish deputy Prime Minister Ebba Busch said of Trump's showing in Davos.
"The EU needs to toughen up," she told Reuters.
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This was the moment EU leaders agreed Europe must go it alone
This was the moment EU leaders agreed Europe must go it alone
A subdued gathering in Brussels became a wake for a decades-old world order that’s slipping away.
BRUSSELS ― There’s no turning back now.
That was the message from European leaders who gathered in Brussels on Thursday.
And even though this emergency summit, called in response to Donald Trump’s threats to seize Greenland, turned into something far less dramatic because the U.S. president backed down 24 hours earlier, the quiet realization that Europe’s post-1945 rubicon had been crossed was, if anything, all the more striking for it.
French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, the EU’s two most powerful leaders, who haven’t seen eye-to-eye of late, were united in warning that the transatlantic crisis had catapulted the bloc into a harsh new reality — one in which it must embrace independence.
“We know we have to work as an independent Europe,” European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen told reporters at the end of the five-hour gathering.
And while, in contrast to recent EU summits, there was no tub-thumping or quarrels or even any decisions to be made, the gathering quietly signaled a tacit understanding, according to four EU diplomats and one official with knowledge of the leaders’ discussion, that there’s a fateful break between the old order and the new, the way the West has functioned since World War II and whatever lies ahead.
While the mental shift toward independence has been gestating for years ― ever since Trump first moved into the White House in 2017 ― his unprecedented threats to Greenland acted as a sudden warning, forcing them to take steps that would have been unthinkable even just a few months ago, they said.
All the officials interviewed for this article were granted anonymity to enable them to speak freely about the summit, which was held in private.
“This is the Rubicon moment,” said an EU diplomat from an eastern flank country, with knowledge of the leaders’ discussions. “It’s shock therapy. Europe cannot go back to the way it was before. They [the leaders] have been saying this for days.” What that new way would look like is — as usual — a conversation for another day.
But there have been hints at it this week. The initial response from EU leaders to the Greenland crisis — suspending an EU-U.S. trade agreement, sending troops to Greenland, threatening to deploy sweeping trade retaliation against the U.S. — served as a taste of what might come.
Everything, all at once
Between them, and then in public, leaders underscored that the speedy, unified response this month couldn’t be a one-off. Instead, it would need to define the bloc’s approach to just about everything.
“It cannot be energy security or defense, it cannot be economic strength or trade dependence, it has to be everything, all at once,” one of the diplomats said.
A key feature of Europe’s newfound quest for independence is a degree of unity that has long eluded the bloc.
For countries on the bloc’s eastern flank, their location in the path of an expansionist Russia has long underpinned a quasi-religious belief in NATO ― in which a reliable U.S. had the biggest military and guaranteed the defense of all other members ― and its ability to deter Moscow. A sense of existential reliance on the U.S. has kept these countries firmly in Washington’s camp, leading to disagreements with countries further west, like France, that advocate “strategic autonomy” for Europe.
Now, France isn’t the outlier. Even countries directly exposed to Russia’s expansionism are showing willingness to get on board with the independence push.
Estonia is a case in point. The tiny Baltic country said last week it would consider deploying troops to Greenland as part of a “scoping mission” organized by NATO. Tallinn didn’t end up sending any soldiers — but the mere fact that it raised the possibility was remarkable.
“When Europe is not divided, when we stand together, and when we are clear and strong, also in our willingness to stand up for ourselves, then results will show,” Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said. “I think we have learned something in the last days and weeks.”
Poland, one of the staunchest U.S. backers, also stepped out of its traditional comfort zone. In discussions about how to respond, Prime Minister Donald Tusk has signaled openness to deploying the EU’s Anti-Coercion Instrument — a powerful trade retaliation tool that allows for limiting investments from threatening nations, according to the diplomats.
“We always respected and accepted American leadership,” Tusk said. “But what we need today in our politics is trust and respect among our partners here, not domination and not coercion. It doesn’t work.”
Learning the lesson
A similar realization is taking hold in Europe’s free-trading northern countries.
While nations like Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands have historically opposed any move that risks imperiling their trading relationship with the U.S., those countries also signaled openness to retaliation against Trump.
“This is a new era where we’re not going to rely on them anymore,” said a fourth EU diplomat. “At least not for three years,” while Trump is still in office. “This [Greenland crisis] was a test. We’ve learned the lesson.”
Even Germany, whose political culture has been defined for decades by faith in the transatlantic relationship, is questioning old assumptions. Merz has hinted that Germany could be onboard with a tough trade response against the U.S.
While EU diplomats and officials credited those moves with helping to change Trump’s mind on his tariff threats, they warned that further tough choices were now in order.
“We need to own our agenda,” added the fourth diplomat. “Ukraine, productivity, competitiveness, security, strategic autonomy. The lesson is not to say no to everything.”
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Can't a bunch of qualified specialists come together and declare him certifiably insane and have him removed by force?
You mean the 25th Amendment?
It exists, but would require a bunch of MAGA officials to agree Trump is unfit to serve.
No Trump and the MAGA cult collapses, I don't see the MAGA cult signing off on disbanding the cult.
It won't collapse. If Trump is removed, Vance takes over, and he'll take it to extreme new levels. And even then, Trump would still control everything behind the scenes.
MAGA doesn't like Vance, he's deeply uncharismatic and will not be able to hold the cult together.
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If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.
Average Danish people hate Trump but they have nothing against American people (who make up a proportion of tourists visiting Denmark on a regular basis).
They also know Americans hate trump as well. Last thing Danish civilians want is to get into war. Danes (like all Scandinavians) are largely civic minded, anti-nuclear, anti-war, pro-environment.
