Asperger's and political activism...........

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What about Klytus, with his comments about selling hot-cross buns during Ramadan purely as an anti-muslim gesture? thats pretty racist...

I don't think I was being racist at all. The "racist" tag gets used far too casually these days. I might just as well accuse you of being racist for finding criticisms of Islam (or any other religion or culture) racist, because it implies you think that cultural attitudes are determined by race.

There is quite a common attitude among liberals that - properly translated - goes something like this: "It's their culture, innit? You can't expect these immigrants not to be offended by the sight of cartoon pigs and the flag of St. George!"

It's pretty obvious to me that Western culture is superior to Islamic culture, and I don't think there's anything racist in saying that.

And what I was advocating was a gesture against the Islamification of my country.

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yeah, and i don't eat meat..... but i'm not a vegetarian!

It may not be strictly racist, but it is very arrogant. Its the sort of arrogance that starts wars.

Perhaps you were 'racist' in the strictest sense, but I don't think I've seen prejudice quite like that...




If you have that attitude you'll never be superior to anyone.

:: shakes head ::

GA

He was using humour to demonstrate a point. Nothing wrong with that.

It is obvious. The facts speak for themselves, or don't you know what's happening outside of your country?

why is it obvious? and please don't link to a looooooong article i have to wade through - any chance you could state why it's obvious succinctly, in points, for a poor, overworked creature (i.e., me)?

Quick look through the Daily Telegraph:

pg14 "Christians under siege in Pakistan after riot"

pg16 "Teacher faces flogging for Bible classes"

Connection: Islamic culture.

Ah vetivert, you reply as I write! Telepathy?

Take a look at the Muslim world. Look at how Islam treats women; look at how those who speak out against it in those countries are treated. Could you imagine people flying aircraft into high-rise buildings in the name of Christianity? Where are all those Muslim countries when it comes to providing aid after a disaster? How many stable, fully democratic Muslim countries do you know?

I can't tolerate the opinions on this thread...

:: stops watching the thread ::

serendipity, ascan.

i should have made myself clear - sorry. my question was "why is western culture superior to muslim culture?". i can see different, yes, but why superior?

in answer to your points:

women - too right, and that's one of the bugbears i have with the muslims who advocate such things. but it doesn't actually say this is the Koran, but is merely an interpretation by the extreme mullahs. and as for the bible's take on women...

ever heard of the spanish inquisition? or the way catholics, then protestants, then catholics again were treated in the UK in the sixteenth/seventeeth centuries, under mary and elizabeth?

jihad/holy war - the Crusades spring to mind...

several very small muslim countries sent aid to the US after katrina - i can't remember who, so i'll have to concede that point, if you need references.

how many fully democratic countries do i know? none.

now i am absolutely not saying that all muslims are fab, cos that's patently stupid. but then i refuse to believe that anyone is better than anyone else due to race, culture, religion, gender, etc., etc. NTs ain;t better than aspies, and vice versa. and that is my point.

I guess that would make you intolerant, then. Not something becoming one with moderator after their name!

Vetivert, yes I've heard about the Spanish inquisition, and know that Christianity has been far from perfect (and I have my reservations about religion and the way it's used anyway) but within the context of the discussion, and without splitting hairs, it was perfectly reasonable to have said that "It's pretty obvious to me that Western culture is superior to Islamic culture..."

Yes, religion and cultures are fluid, yes we can look back in history and see examples that contradict the statement in the last paragraph, but we are talking here and now, and as a generalisation, too. In that respect the statement is sound. It's not saying all Muslims, or indeed any, Muslims are inferior. Or, that we, as Westerners, are superior. Merely, it's comparing the two ways of living. It accepts that there are deficits on both sides, but answers the question: where would you rather live? Where would any person, properly availed of the facts, live?

Actually, Australia tried to send aide and manpower to assist, but America refused. We weren't even allowed to send in our consulants to search for our missing people. America wanted to do it all by themselves...



Are you trying to get a negative response from me? You seem to be just looking for an argument to start with anyone. And that's why I'm avoiding this topic. It's one thing to argue and discuss an issue. But it's another to simply argue for the sake arguing...

GA

Me, start an argument with anyone, just for the sake of arguing? I'd take a rest, old chap!

This ain't exactly conducive to a relaxed atmosphere for friendly discussion:

Christianity used to treet women the same way, or at least similarly.

actaully, yes i can, at leest as eesy as i can imagine islamic fundamentalists doing so (the fact that islamic fundamentalists HAVE done so notwithstanding, Christian fundamentalists are just as likely to do so as Islamic ones.