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13 Feb 2008, 2:39 pm

Stop ignoring my point graemephillips, how would YOU feel if YOUR laws were being written by the koran? Or the Pagan scriptures? Or the Budhist scriptures? So what makes you think you should have the right to impose YOUR religion onto others?

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13 Feb 2008, 2:45 pm

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It is contrary to biblical teaching for Christians to hate people, but it is also contrary to biblical teaching for them to just stand by idly when there is injustice and immorality in the world. An example of this is how many Christians support or condone homosexuality for their own political advantage. Jesus does not approve of people denying him or his teachings for political advantage. You probably remember the incident where Peter denied him three times on the night before his crucifixion because he thought that admitting being one of Jesus' followers would put him in trouble as well. Unlike Peter, I am not willing to deny or water down Jesus' teaching for my own political advantage.

What's even worse is people ignoring biblical teachings for financial advantage. Although God clearly said that shrimp and other shellfish are an abomination (Leviticus 11:9-12, Deuteronomy 14:9-10), it is a multi-billion dollar industry! There is a Long-John-Silver on the corner next to a Baptist Church in my town! And who is picketing that den of deep-fried evil? No one. Absolutely no one!

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13 Feb 2008, 2:46 pm

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Not answering for graemephillips, but the truth -- whatever it is -- is imposed on everyone, by nature of what truth is: that which is true regardless of desire or opinion.

The question, then, comes to be: "What is the truth?" Which is the same question Pontius Pilate asked Jesus, who was, so ironically in that setting, "the way, the truth, and the life."

So, I don't believe the truth must be believed by someone to be true for them. Rather, as truth, it is true, and affects them, both before and after they realize it. So, I don't think graemephillips is trying to "force his truth on people", he's just telling the truth as he sees it.

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13 Feb 2008, 2:58 pm

Ragtime wrote:

snake321 wrote:

Not answering for graemephillips, but the truth -- whatever it is -- is imposed on everyone, by nature of what truth is: that which is true regardless of desire or opinion.

The question, then, comes to be: "What is the truth?" Which is the same question Pontius Pilate asked Jesus, who was, so ironically in that setting, "the way, the truth, and the life."

So, I don't believe the truth must be believed by someone to be true for them. Rather, as truth, it is true, and effects them, both before and after they realize it. So, I don't think graemephillips is trying to "force his truth on people", he's just telling the truth as he sees it.

And people from India might believe hinduism is "the truth". What makes your "truth" any more reliable than his "truth"? It's all speculation, you can believe what you want. But it does not belong in politics, politics effect everyone. Not everyone believes in Christianity. Or any other religion or lack thereof for that matter. None of this is proven. Apu's "faith" in hinduism holds just as much water as your "faith" in Christianity.

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13 Feb 2008, 3:09 pm

I believe the point that Ragtime was trying to make was that, despite the idea that many systems want to suppose a middle ground which groups of differing opinions can all agree on in politics, any political system in actuality will embody and enforce some subjective notion of right. Anything that supposes that it should do something, makes an appeal on some level to a subjective notion of justice etc.

Even my arch enemy Rawls understood this, taking the idea that his political system would work for "reasonable" entities as not derivable from the idea that it will work for strictly rational entities, IIRC.

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13 Feb 2008, 3:24 pm

Well when a hand-written code of morality plays favorites to certain groups, that is a problem.

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13 Feb 2008, 3:26 pm

I mean it's that type of thinking which is why it is that way. Because people can't agree to disagree, and they get so locked into their world view..... People have no idea how imprisoned their minds are, really.

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13 Feb 2008, 5:21 pm

Locked at the request of a redneck.

This is a support site. No more bashing threads, okay.

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