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Is being gay normal or wrong?
It's perfectly normal, of course! 31%  31%  [ 193 ]
It's perfectly normal, of course! 31%  31%  [ 194 ]
It's wrong and people should be punished for such sodomy! 5%  5%  [ 34 ]
It's wrong and people should be punished for such sodomy! 5%  5%  [ 34 ]
It's really none of my business. 14%  14%  [ 85 ]
It's really none of my business. 14%  14%  [ 85 ]
Total votes : 625

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05 Dec 2006, 2:02 pm

Revenant,

I completely understand and see your point and it's sad. From an outsider's superficial point of view, it would seem like Norway tries to promote equality (laws, not supposed to judge each other [but this might be more archaic traditions, I forgot what the term for this is]), but as I hear more from Norwegians and read more things that come out of Norway (one reason I wanted to develop a reading knowledge of the language), I get more of an impression of how disparate things really are there. Just seems like progress on acceptance based on sexual orientation is decades behind gender, race, and religious equality movements everywhere. :( Thanks very much for your input!


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23 Dec 2006, 2:39 pm

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For the most part it's biological, although I'm sure that someone here will argue with me on that (preparing data to counter them as you read this) However, yes we do have free will and I guess someone could "choose" to be gay if they wanted to.

In my opinion being gay is like being an aspie...it may not be the norm in our society, but it is as valid as any other way of being.

i agree with you.

but it is kinda nasty. i do not care if it is two hot chicks doing it or some gay bears or bull dikes being all sweaty stinky and playing with poop. it is gross and vile.



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23 Dec 2006, 2:41 pm

sigholdaccountlost wrote:
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@Griff: very right!

I believe this "cold" behaviour seen in many gay men is a result of a lack of acceptance from society.

In Norway, homosexuals arent allowed to adopt. I think its not a good idea at this point, because society has to mature first.
With the current views on homosexuality, a child raised by two gay men will face a lot of bullying in school.
DOn't get me wrong, I'm 100% for gay adoption, but society has to mature.
We have to get rid of homophobia, just like we got rid of(at least almost) racism.
Both are a hate-crime and should not be tolerated.
Therefore, I fail to see how the gay-hating can go on while racism isnt tolerated. It is exactly the same and neither should be tolerated!





Actually, racism is tolerated so long as you're being racist towards the majority.


haten wh***y is allways cool



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23 Dec 2006, 2:52 pm

every active bisexual i have known admited being molested . i asked bluntly. many homosexuals admited this also. i know this is not a rule but it says something. i have been told it was not true a few times, but i said to them they did not want to admit that is a factor in the issue. homosexuals are too defencive.. on the religious note. celibate life style an option.

i knew a bisexual that said the hetrosexual mating rituals are too hard to deal with but homosexuals are prone to agressive jealousy. i have known lesbians that have been beaten up by their lovers so much that they do not say in relaltionships very long because it is horrible. i knew two chicks that were beat so bad that they had their lovers put in prison and they had serious physical and brain injuries from the beatings.



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23 Dec 2006, 3:01 pm

krist,
Assuming you are being honest,
It doesn't say anything just because you the people you know have something in their own history. It has to be studied in the society as a whole.



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23 Dec 2006, 5:09 pm

jimservo wrote:
krist,
Assuming you are being honest,
It doesn't say anything just because you the people you know have something in their own history. It has to be studied in the society as a whole.


well i have asked my psych doc about it and he siad it is a factor in alot of things including murders and NTs. so ya



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23 Dec 2006, 11:39 pm

i am sure that gays can be NTs. some gays are screwed in the head and some are not. one of my bosses was homosexual and he was the bomb, he was brokeback mountain as all hell. we got into a convo about broke back and i told him my whole opinion about it and he said the same thing. i felt sorry for the women and the men too because they have to play the straight game for their families and it is sh***y. but i dispise that faggoty s**t and all acting femine or butches.



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23 Dec 2006, 11:54 pm

krist wrote:
sh***y. but i dispise that faggoty s**t and all acting femine or butches.


I guess its how much they "flame" you have a problem with. Being an aspie I was shock to find so many of the people I knew at college were gay. And to be honest have never saw the "flaming gay" you see in media(though I have no problem with them).



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24 Dec 2006, 12:14 am

There is a boy in my Gym class who is always on the girls' teams, and he talks in a high-pitched voice. That's the only person I suspect to be gay that I know of. A lot of people are very good at hiding their orientation.



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24 Dec 2006, 12:19 am

at least people dont call me a hater or a homophobe because i say it is nasty..



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24 Dec 2006, 12:21 am

Well, it's just an opinion. Everyone is entitled to one.



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25 Dec 2006, 12:23 pm

krist wrote:
sigholdaccountlost wrote:
Revenant wrote:
@Griff: very right!

I believe this "cold" behaviour seen in many gay men is a result of a lack of acceptance from society.

In Norway, homosexuals arent allowed to adopt. I think its not a good idea at this point, because society has to mature first.
With the current views on homosexuality, a child raised by two gay men will face a lot of bullying in school.
DOn't get me wrong, I'm 100% for gay adoption, but society has to mature.
We have to get rid of homophobia, just like we got rid of(at least almost) racism.
Both are a hate-crime and should not be tolerated.
Therefore, I fail to see how the gay-hating can go on while racism isnt tolerated. It is exactly the same and neither should be tolerated!





Actually, racism is tolerated so long as you're being racist towards the majority.


haten wh***y is allways cool

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25 Dec 2006, 2:50 pm

Honestly, I don't understand homophoebia, even though I'm straight, why should i give a plugged nickel who the guy standing next to me is sleeping with? How does it effect me?
I mean as long as he can respect my decision to be straight, and not be all sucking face with his bf in front of me or whatever, I don't see a problem. I've had plenty of gay friends.... Heck my brother is bisexual.



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29 Dec 2006, 11:41 am

at least people dont call me a hater or a homophobe because i say it is nasty.

I used to get annoyed when people would call homosexuality gross, but then I realized that there's lots of sexual acts that other people partake in that I feel justified in finding equally gross. It would be hypocritical (and absurd) of me to try to tell other people what they should or should not find arousing unless I also submitted to the whims of my community as to what I could find arousing. It makes sense, but it's hard to demonstrate since you need to find something almost universally accepted, but also almost universally regarded as gross.

I ended up resolving it like this: It's fine for someone to think that homosexuality is gross, just like it's fine for me to find the idea of my parents having sex gross, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong and it doesn't mean it should be illegal or marginalized. I think that's a sentiment that can be pretty universally understood, since everyone has parents (that at the very least have had sex) and just about everyone finds the idea of them having sex gross, but at the same time no one would want to stop them from doing so. If someone had prevented their parents from having sex years back, they would never have been born.



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29 Dec 2006, 11:59 am

The poll options are a bit limiting. If it was listed, I would choose, "It's wrong, but it's not my place to punish." Contrary to the way the similar option is phrased in the poll, there is such a thing as believing something's wrong without hating the person who's doing it. As the poll stands, you might as well randomly append ALL the options with hatred, such as, "I believe it's none of my business, and I think everyone who disagrees should be punished!" What sense would that make? Have seperate options for those who hate, versus those who simply have beliefs.



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29 Dec 2006, 2:05 pm

jackd wrote:

I ended up resolving it like this: It's fine for someone to think that homosexuality is gross, just like it's fine for me to find the idea of my parents having sex gross, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong and it doesn't mean it should be illegal or marginalized. I think that's a sentiment that can be pretty universally understood, since everyone has parents (that at the very least have had sex) and just about everyone finds the idea of them having sex gross, but at the same time no one would want to stop them from doing so. If someone had prevented their parents from having sex years back, they would never have been born.


This is an excellent analogy!

In the end, I feel that anyone who goes on and on about OTHER people's sexuality, and how much it bothers or disgusts them, is not comfortable with their own sexuality. Just an observation, and also from my own experience.

There are gay people who complain about bisexuals and say "they can't decide" or whatever, and in the end, if they didn't feel "threatened" by the idea, they wouldn't have to criticize it.

Basically, I feel that when you're comfortable with your own sexuality, you are not "offended" much by others' sexuality.