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28 Sep 2019, 10:51 am

Technically, Clinton was being charged with perjury, lying to Congress under oath.

I doubt that he would have been bought up on charges subsequently.



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28 Sep 2019, 11:10 am

JohnPowell wrote:
BIDEN IS ON VIDEO saying it. How can people deny reality.


He's on video saying he pressured them to fire him because he was corrupt. Despite what Russia Today told you, he didn't say anything about any investigations into an energy firm.

Don't believe everything you see on YouTube, particularly from disreputable propaganda networks.



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28 Sep 2019, 11:27 am

I meant whether it would end few months before schedule. And, if so, whether it would contradict your idea that earlier end of presidency comes as a package deal with jail.[/quote]

The presidents term would not end a few months before schedule.The president would go to jail if he is convicted of a crime,my guess is that if he is convicted of impeachment by the senate and that he is impeached for commiting a crime that he would go to jail.I am not quite sure what your getting at but I hope that answers your question


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28 Sep 2019, 12:02 pm

He wouldn’t go to jail after conviction after impeachment trial. He would only forfeit his office.

I’ll have to research whether “double jeopardy” would preclude him from being indicted by a federal grand jury for the offenses which would be part of the “Articles of Impeachment.”

Look up Article 1, Section 3, Clause 7 of the US Constitution.

It says that the only punishments upon conviction of impeachment offenses is removal from office and a ban from holding public office for the rest of his life. No jail.

Technically, he can be indicted federally for his impeachment offenses following his removal, according to the above.



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28 Sep 2019, 12:19 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
He wouldn’t go to jail after conviction after impeachment trial. He would only forfeit his office.

I’ll have to research whether “double jeopardy” would preclude him from being indicted by a federal grand jury for the offenses which would be part of the “Articles of Impeachment.”

Look up Article 1, Section 3, Clause 7 of the US Constitution.

It says that the only punishments upon conviction of impeachment offenses is removal from office and a ban from holding public office for the rest of his life. No jail.

Technically, he can be indicted federally for his impeachment offenses following his removal, according to the above.
I was always told if someone is impeached they go to jail or at least a cushy federal country club.But its a moot arguement because even if an impeached president can be indicted by a federal grand jury the new president who was the former vice president would pardon the former impeached president anyway


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28 Sep 2019, 1:39 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
BIDEN IS ON VIDEO saying it. How can people deny reality.


He's on video saying he pressured them to fire him because he was corrupt. Despite what Russia Today told you, he didn't say anything about any investigations into an energy firm.

Don't believe everything you see on YouTube, particularly from disreputable propaganda networks.


Don't play games. It isn't a secret.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.co ... ived%3famp


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28 Sep 2019, 2:11 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
BIDEN IS ON VIDEO saying it. How can people deny reality.


He's on video saying he pressured them to fire him because he was corrupt. Despite what Russia Today told you, he didn't say anything about any investigations into an energy firm.

Don't believe everything you see on YouTube, particularly from disreputable propaganda networks.


Don't play games. It isn't a secret.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.co ... ived%3famp
It seems to me that if Trump gets impeached by the house even if the senate does not convict(which they won't)then Biden should be indicted on corruption charges steming from what he did.Its really suprising Biden has not already been indicted on corruption charges.


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28 Sep 2019, 2:15 pm

Agreed. But I'm not surprised.


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28 Sep 2019, 2:20 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Agreed. But I'm not surprised.
What is really suprising is that Elizabeth Warren and other democratic hopefulls aren't using this against Biden.They could bury him with this.


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28 Sep 2019, 3:03 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Agreed. But I'm not surprised.
What is really suprising is that Elizabeth Warren and other democratic hopefulls aren't using this against Biden.They could bury him with this.


They wouldn't do that cause it would also damage the party.


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29 Sep 2019, 7:49 am

A former PM of the Ukraine has said that authorities must investigate Hunter Biden to establish whether or not his role on the board of a Ukrainian gas company complied with the nations laws.

Mykola Azarov said "if Hunter Biden was simply on the books and getting money,then that could be seen as a violation of the law"

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03 Oct 2019, 9:49 pm

This is what a coup looks like.

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It’s Looking More And More Like The Whistleblower Issue Was Stage-Managed By Dems And The CIA

We’re one week into Whistleblower-gate, and the wheels are already falling off the bus.

All signs now point to Adam Schiff personally orchestrating the entire operation.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/03/its- ... d-the-cia/


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03 Oct 2019, 10:34 pm

a stopped clock is correct more often than faux news ever was.



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04 Oct 2019, 12:03 am

Darmok wrote:
This is what a coup looks like.

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It’s Looking More And More Like The Whistleblower Issue Was Stage-Managed By Dems And The CIA

We’re one week into Whistleblower-gate, and the wheels are already falling off the bus.

All signs now point to Adam Schiff personally orchestrating the entire operation.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/03/its- ... d-the-cia/


I tried looking at the article, and was stopped from looking at it as I was not a registered buyer. Regardless, this sounds like paranoid Trump partisanship.


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04 Oct 2019, 5:27 am

Darmok wrote:
This is what a coup looks like.

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It’s Looking More And More Like The Whistleblower Issue Was Stage-Managed By Dems And The CIA

We’re one week into Whistleblower-gate, and the wheels are already falling off the bus.

All signs now point to Adam Schiff personally orchestrating the entire operation.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/03/its- ... d-the-cia/
I was right about him being CIA


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04 Oct 2019, 11:13 am

Darmok wrote:
This is what a coup looks like.

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It’s Looking More And More Like The Whistleblower Issue Was Stage-Managed By Dems And The CIA

We’re one week into Whistleblower-gate, and the wheels are already falling off the bus.

All signs now point to Adam Schiff personally orchestrating the entire operation.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/03/its- ... d-the-cia/


Who is this guy and how does he know this?