9/11 a staged attack

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ASPER, your post was 36 minutes after mine. The two videos are something like a combined to be four and a half hours long. To say you "checked it" rings somewhat hollow.

ADDENDUM: I found this amusing: What I Learned from 9/11 Conspiracies.

I didn't watch that video but have seen some others and read a number of articles with alternate explanations of 9/11.

Some of the alternatives I find hard to believe, but the governments version (which is just another conspiracy theory) doesn't seem entirely plausible either.

Since the PNAC folks desperately wanted to have the US attacked and the apparent moral bankruptcy of the bush regime I would have to say at the bare minimum the US government was complicit in the attack.

How?

Link: Project for A New American Century. They, obviously, are not a secret organization, and have never desperately wanted America to be attacked. They were a public policy group (there statement of principles was written in 1997 and they have apparently not been active since 2005).

Included as a member of the organization is a Bush critic, Francis Fukuyama, as well as such persons as former Vice President Dan Quayle, to former Presidential Candidate Steve Forbes, to Vice President Dick Cheney, to former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

In their statement of principles they stated:



This is a rather general goal and if it indicts them in the 9/11 attack I wonder what other groups or persons would get thrown in.

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They say there are two ways to explain everything.

1) A conspiracy
2) or Stupidity

Not sure why so many people find it so hard to believe that stupidity is a big factor
in history? The US government had no idea the attack was going to happen. And after
the attack the US government's response made no sense.

checked them before,but only screw loose change.it didnt make sense to me at all.
peace

OK, ASPER. Talk to me then. Tell me how precisely it was an inside job.

I agree with South Park on this issue.

hehe

That was a wonderful episode!

****IT CHENEY!

ok,but its hard,because for everything i say u can give an explanation even if it doesnt make sense,its not like we have the knower of everything in between us and will say jim is right or asper is right.
the main problems with this inside jobs,the biggest proves are:

wtc7,the way it fell like a controlled demolition,no plane hit it,the shokwake on the windows,the video i showed before about wtc7 talks about "clap of thunder" noise which is a signature sound of the demolitions when explosives go off not the floors collapse(thats another sound).

secondary explosions reported by witnesses,in videos are shown.(william rodriguez,supervisor of the janitors,he has a nice story to tell if u look around)

no video of plane in pentagon hitting,remains or damge of such object.(i dont know what happened but if they showed the twin towers a million times why not the pentagon at least once)

shanksville flight 93.
http://nineeleven2001.t35.com/images/sh ... le-1-a.jpg no trace of any plane debree.
http://www.wtc-terrorattack.com/shankes ... ille16.JPG
some people saw a missile some didnt,its just suspicious how there wasnt no big pieces of plane.u can see itin the photos.

many other things look more like theories to people who hasnt studied the events in depth.

also u have to think why would osama choose 911?
the freemasons use the kabalistic system,invented by talmudic jews,they are obsessed with numerology,like remember after 911 there was more attacks 7/7 at 7:21(21 is 7 X 3),11/13 jordan(11 number like 9 "11" number of "chaos" and 13,thats why in the usa there isnt no 13 floor),then after that all went cool and no more attacks like those.
zionist/hezbollah war 33 days,33 is the highest degree of a mason there is known to the public,secretly has been found they go to 360 degrees.
these people love secrecy and their little occult clubs,it is not a joke and u should learn about what their ideas are before u make fun of me thinking im a ufo mumbo jumbo supersticious guy.

peace jim

The more this guy posts the more I suspect he's suffering paranoid denial misplacement (PDM).

Think of it like this:

A man discovers his wife is cheating but the shock is too great, for how can his lovely innocent wife betray him!? He develops the delusion that the man is controlling her or raping her. But it spirals out of control. Soon he sees an entire conspiracy! There's a giant organization dedicated to mind controlling woman to rape them and only he knows! It gets worse from here.

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so questioning events its paranoia?
i showed facts,things that happened,im not paranoic you that think 911 wasnt an inside job are paranoic,thinking angry muslims will come and kill you because u have so much freedoms.

and flagg cut it off,u been attacking me since i came,there is something of me that u dont like and i really dont know,could it be my english or my belief or i dont like gays having adopted children or maybe i show u facts that seem as theories to you and u decide to attack me personaly to deviate from the topic.

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It was not controlled demolition. Building 7, which was severely damaged,...





fell on it's own accord. The penthouse sank into the building first, and then a moment later rest of the structure fell backwards into itself. Unlike a controlled demolition the damage to other structures was severe:



A controlled explosion is a very particular thing. Explosives are placed in columns throughout the building. The fall of WTC looked nothing like a controlled demolition.

Firehouse (Magazine): Other people tell me that there were a lot of firefighters in the street who were visible, and they put out traffic cones to mark them off?
Hayden: Yeah. There was enough there and we were marking off. There were a lot of damaged apparatus there that were covered. We tried to get searches in those areas. By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

(source link)



Yes, explosions were heard at the time. First off there were two large explosions when planes crashed into the two towers. Additionally there were transformers spread throughout the buildings, which under the conditions of fire are perfectly capable of exploding and indeed have in the past. This is not an indication of bombs.

When where these bombs planted since they absolutely had to have been planted were these buildings to have been brought done?



What survivors say moments after they escape a burning building is not the same thing as documentary evidence.



Mr. Rodriguez has changed his story as he has gotten increased publicity from the "Loose Change" Documentaries. Should we believe the one person who has changed his story or the hundreds of haven't?



Wrong. Unfortunately, the camera showing the event from the pentagon's point of view was of the type that only took pictures every few frames. Therefor they lost the pictures. From what I understand there were other videos as well which were taken as evidence. There were more then one-hundred witnesses (including press) that saw the plane plow into the pentagon.

Here are some pieces of the plane that hit the pentagon:



The Armed Forces DNA Lab matched up every victim who was killed in the crash.



It is not suspicious that there were no large pieces considering the speed and angle the plane crashed into the ground. Moreover, a missile would not be the best way to eliminate a wreckage.

Here is wreckage of debris from Flight 93:







The events of 9/11 have already become one the most intensely studied events of recent time.



I don't believe that was anything particularly symbolic as to the date.



There is much legend in the history of the Masons. There exact origins will likely remain unknown. Today there are mostly a social group dedicated to purposes of charity. They are certainly not a terrorist organization, like say, Hezhoballah or al-Qaeda.

Let's try to keep it on topic. Otherwise this is going to develop into a flame war.