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30 May 2007, 12:30 pm

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We are the dominant species, as someone said earlier. That doesn't necessarily make us superior though. The point I'm trying to make is, you can't say X is superior to Y without giving some kind of criteria. It's too vague. We are better than other species at some things, and worse at others. Physically, we are not superior. But if we mean solely on mental ability then fair enough.

We are superior because the Bible says so. Don't you listen?


Haha, well, we are the way we are, even if there wasn't a Bible. Absolute truth. Remember?


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30 May 2007, 12:35 pm

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Yes Ragtime said that based on the Bible :roll:
The bible says that humans are better than animals
humans are image of God, not animals

But humans ARE animals.
And I don't believe all the crap in the Bible anyway.

I just became christian right now.
So now I can say "That's blasphemy, you are going to Hell!"

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A common modern example of blasphemy would be a Christian telling his wife that God wants him to leave her to marry someone else. A similar, if more bizarre example happened here in Dallas: a pastor married a woman who was already married, and then claimed that God told him to do it. He is a blasphemer because he's calling God a liar. For, Jesus specifically said not to divorce your wife in order to marry someone else.


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30 May 2007, 12:35 pm

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We are superior because the Bible says so. Don't you listen?

Funny how people can give very well-thought-out philosophical arguments, but if they profess faith, that's all discarded with a flip, "you just believe it because the Bible says it." Which proves the other party obviously isn't listening, and really doesn't care to. Image


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30 May 2007, 12:38 pm

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Animals are not cruel, they don't enjoy the pain of other, they don't enjoy watching someone else suffering, that is a good quality of animals better than humans.

Why is it good?


He believes good is the absence of evil.


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30 May 2007, 12:44 pm

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there are many things that are human because we're so different than other animals...but in the end, they do it too.

cats toy with their food before they kill it and seem to take great joy in toying with it. cats are sadistic little creatures.

I think you're right, cats might do that, but I don't think they comprehend what the other animal is feeling, probably that is why there is no cruelty on animals, because they don't understand it, you could say this culd be similar to an an aspie trait :P

I understand a few animals kill and devour other smaller animals, but it is because it is their food, the unique source for their survival, not because they are evil.

In the story of the three little pigs, the wolf wants to eat them, who wrote the story put the stereotype image of the wolf being "bad", he is cruel to these poor little innocent piggies, but in the real life a wolf does it because he is hungry, not because he is evil, he doesn't get joy hurting smaller animals.


Well, the Nazis killed lots of people because they wanted to rule the world. You could say they wanted to rule the world out of an instinct of self-preservation, and then, by your standards, the Nazis would have every right to do what they did. You can highly evidence evil intent in humans, but proof is harder to come by. (Still, we can often know when people are being evil -- even some of us Aspies can. :) )


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30 May 2007, 12:45 pm

Wow. 84 replies.



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30 May 2007, 2:03 pm

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is just as legitimate as the one you pulled out of your ass.


well that's where you let yself down.


Colorful phrasing aside, he's saying that a random opinion is as good as any other random opinion. How's that wrong?


Thanks Lukewarm, you pull that out one of your ass too?



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30 May 2007, 2:07 pm

Ragtime wrote:
He believes good is the absence of evil.

Well, that is a rather useless answer you gave. What I was trying to get at was the futility of ethical argumentation because it all goes back to nothing but opinion and the ideas one believes rather than objective, epistemologically valid knowledge.



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30 May 2007, 2:32 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
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He believes good is the absence of evil.

Well, that is a rather useless answer you gave. What I was trying to get at was the futility of ethical argumentation because it all goes back to nothing but opinion and the ideas one believes rather than objective, epistemologically valid knowledge.


Well, you know I disagree with you there, so I answered his statement differently than you would have.


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30 May 2007, 2:34 pm

Kosmonaut wrote:
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is just as legitimate as the one you pulled out of your ass.


well that's where you let yself down.


Colorful phrasing aside, he's saying that a random opinion is as good as any other random opinion. How's that wrong?


Thanks Lukewarm, you pull that out one of your ass too?


Stop thinking about my ass. I'm getting married soon, Kosmo! :lol:


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30 May 2007, 2:40 pm

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social walker

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30 May 2007, 2:46 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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Well, that is a rather useless answer you gave. What I was trying to get at was the futility of ethical argumentation because it all goes back to nothing but opinion and the ideas one believes rather than objective, epistemologically valid knowledge.


Well, you know I disagree with you there, so I answered his statement differently than you would have.

What epistemologically valid way do you have to find truth? Remember, this isn't a question on whether or not you have truth but rather on how you know it to be true. I am not attacking the existence of any deity, but rather the assertion that your belief can be taken on something other than faith.



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30 May 2007, 2:58 pm

We need certain animals for food, but we must respect wildlife and the ecosystem as they are important for the environment, tourist enjoyment, and they do no harm.

I support the regulated hunting of lower-sentience animals for sport, it isn't sentient humans. However I am for providing greater rights to more sentient animals such as Chimpanzees and Dolphins. We can learn from and use them. I am direly against causing harm to innocents, and this definition extends to Chimpanzees for me. However the life of a human being should always be held as above a Chimp's life. A chimp is still sub-sentient but amongst the highest next to Humans.

Innocent being a human who has done no significant or dire harm to others or society, and does not pose any intentional threat. An exception is when a human is diseased or is somehow a risk in unpercieved circumstances.(i.e child suicide bomber). Chimpanzees are protected as near-human sentience animals. People should not be allowed to wantonly kill such animals without a court warrant.

However, regulated hunting should allow for the hunting of non-endangered species not protected by other laws, with quotas limiting the amount that can be hunted over a certain period so that the animals do not become extinct. Protection zones should be set up where hunting is illegal to ensure the survival of species, just in case.

As I support the legalization of 10 rounds maximum rifles, and non-lethal handguns in the United Kingdom, this is one use the rifles would see. However, counting on the large area devoted to farmland... there would not be much hunting anyway.


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30 May 2007, 3:10 pm

(You switched-up the quotes, Awesome.)


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30 May 2007, 3:13 pm

Awesome, are you really asking how I know the truth? Or are you actually asking how I can convince you, epistemologically, that I know it?


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30 May 2007, 3:31 pm

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Even without our gadgets (@ska for the tiger thing), we can still turn our body into a beadly weapon, and if we properly use our brain the tiger is toast.



we're agreeing here...my point was more that our brain is our biggest weapon.