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02 Oct 2019, 9:50 am

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... Being unpopular isn't a valid measuring stick for a mod's effectiveness.
Popularity seems to be what NTs use as their standard of worthiness.

We're not NTs here, let's not act like them (at least in this respect). You don't have to be popular to be a good person.


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02 Oct 2019, 10:02 am

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What exactly is a "small-time abuser"? Someone whose own opinions are in conflict with another's?


I notice when people say someone insults other people, what they are actually saying sometimes is "Your views are very unpopular. Most of the members feel threatened by you. You say things lot of people don't want to hear. You say things the way it is, you lack tact, you lack emotion in your posts, people get provoked by your innocence and naivety and because you are frank."

I don't think any of this is bad. I have came across some people who I always didn't agree with but I never started harassing them and mass reporting them as a troll like some people do when they don't like someone.

I am not talking about racism here or homophobia or transphobia, etc etc etc.


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02 Oct 2019, 10:15 am

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... "Your views are very unpopular. Most of the members feel threatened by you. You say things lot of people don't want to hear. You say things the way it is, you lack tact, you lack emotion in your posts, people get provoked by your innocence and naivety and because you are frank"...
Did I leave my webcam and microphone on again?

:wink: ... and my name is not "Frank"!


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02 Oct 2019, 10:45 am

Fnord wrote:
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... Being unpopular isn't a valid measuring stick for a mod's effectiveness.
Popularity seems to be what NTs use as their standard of worthiness.

We're not NTs here, let's not act like them (at least in this respect). You don't have to be popular to be a good person.


What about reputation?



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02 Oct 2019, 1:44 pm

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Could you explain to us what exactly a "crypto fascist" is, and the type of posts that you believe have been posted by "cryptofacists?" That would be helpful.

For my purposes, a fascist is someone who wants to bring about a state in which people of European heritage have substantially greater legal rights than others. (This might not be an appropriate definition in some contexts where ideas about race and/or society are very different, but it works for a Western context)

A cryptofascist is someone who seeks to bring about fascist goals while posing as a non-fascist. Their focus is on making fascist ideas more socially acceptable, and trying to discredit anti-fascist ideas.

This video is rather good, although note that it is designed to be entertaining as well as informative, and I do not share the creator's anti-capitalist leanings, nor her distrust of liberalism.
https://youtu.be/Sx4BVGPkdzk?t=56

Some useful timestamps if you don't want to watch the whole thing:
4:49 - a cryptofascist sharing their ideology and methodology; goes onto that famous quote about dogwhistles by a Republican organiser
8:09 - cryptofascist use of euphemism
12:24 - camaraderie of the accused
14:34 - drawing an equivalence between white supremacy and black civil rights groups
15:34 - representing attacks on non-whites as defence of whites
16:37 - using "free speech" as a defence of racism, while attempting to silence other people's views
20:05 - resisting cryptofascism

Now the issue is that by their nature, cryptofascists try and make themselves indistinguishable from mainstream views. So if they're good, none of us suspect them at all. If they've survived on the forum for a decent period of time then they're probably quite good at it. The big giveaways are things like posting mildly racist cartoons, but also look at the way people talk about immigrants or minorities (particularly if they mention "threats to our culture"). They're often extremely quick to play the victim, they often focus more on their opposition to e.g. antifa than any of their actual views, and they're very keen to paint anyone who disagrees with them as an extremist who should be disregarded.



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02 Oct 2019, 2:17 pm

Sorry but that sounds like witch hunting to me.



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02 Oct 2019, 2:49 pm

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VegetableMan wrote:
Could you explain to us what exactly a "crypto fascist" is, and the type of posts that you believe have been posted by "cryptofacists?" That would be helpful.

For my purposes, a fascist is someone who wants to bring about a state in which people of European heritage have substantially greater legal rights than others. (This might not be an appropriate definition in some contexts where ideas about race and/or society are very different, but it works for a Western context)

A cryptofascist is someone who seeks to bring about fascist goals while posing as a non-fascist. Their focus is on making fascist ideas more socially acceptable, and trying to discredit anti-fascist ideas.

This video is rather good, although note that it is designed to be entertaining as well as informative, and I do not share the creator's anti-capitalist leanings, nor her distrust of liberalism.
https://youtu.be/Sx4BVGPkdzk?t=56

Some useful timestamps if you don't want to watch the whole thing:
4:49 - a cryptofascist sharing their ideology and methodology; goes onto that famous quote about dogwhistles by a Republican organiser
8:09 - cryptofascist use of euphemism
12:24 - camaraderie of the accused
14:34 - drawing an equivalence between white supremacy and black civil rights groups
15:34 - representing attacks on non-whites as defence of whites
16:37 - using "free speech" as a defence of racism, while attempting to silence other people's views
20:05 - resisting cryptofascism

Now the issue is that by their nature, cryptofascists try and make themselves indistinguishable from mainstream views. So if they're good, none of us suspect them at all. If they've survived on the forum for a decent period of time then they're probably quite good at it. The big giveaways are things like posting mildly racist cartoons, but also look at the way people talk about immigrants or minorities (particularly if they mention "threats to our culture"). They're often extremely quick to play the victim, they often focus more on their opposition to e.g. antifa than any of their actual views, and they're very keen to paint anyone who disagrees with them as an extremist who should be disregarded.


I actually can't believe you posted that video.

You're an open supporter of Israel, where Europeans wants to bring about a state in which people of European heritage have substantially greater legal rights than the native non European population. The state poses as a victim that doesn't want to achieve these goals helped by their supporters.


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02 Oct 2019, 2:58 pm

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I actually can't believe you posted that video. You're an open supporter of Israel, where Europeans wants to bring about a state in which people of European heritage have substantially greater legal rights than the native non European population. The state poses as a victim that doesn't want to achieve these goals helped by their supporters.
And you're an open detractor of Israel. That makes things even. Now stand down and stop whining.


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02 Oct 2019, 3:54 pm

So me being against 'crypto fascism' evens things out? :?


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02 Oct 2019, 3:59 pm

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So me being against 'crypto fascism' evens things out?
Your anti-Israel stance and The Walruses pro-Israel stance cancel each other out. The tipping point is that he's the moderator, and you're the instigator.


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02 Oct 2019, 4:13 pm

There are people who get paid to moderate forums, I believe. Maybe that's the answer. Non-member professionals who, hopefully, don't have any particular biases.


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02 Oct 2019, 4:21 pm

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There are people who get paid to moderate forums, I believe. Maybe that's the answer. Non-member professionals who, hopefully, don't have any particular biases.
Right. And those people should have professional degrees in a field of mental health ... and members should be charged a fee for membership ... and the website should be licensed as a mental-health resource ... and it should be staffed 24 hours a day and 7 days a week ... and each member should be personally evaluated by each moderator ... and the website should keep a file on each member ... and ...

Do you see where this is going? You want paid professionals running this website. Most people cannot afford to consult a paid professional, and that's why many of them are members here. Sure, we can't diagnose or treat any disorders, but we can give advice, provide information, and even offer sympathy (some people are better at this than others).


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02 Oct 2019, 4:56 pm

Fnord wrote:
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There are people who get paid to moderate forums, I believe. Maybe that's the answer. Non-member professionals who, hopefully, don't have any particular biases.
Right. And those people should have professional degrees in a field of mental health ... and members should be charged a fee for membership ... and the website should be licensed as a mental-health resource ... and it should be staffed 24 hours a day and 7 days a week ... and each member should be personally evaluated by each moderator ... and the website should keep a file on each member ... and ...

Do you see where this is going? You want paid professionals running this website. Most people cannot afford to consult a paid professional, and that's why many of them are members here. Sure, we can't diagnose or treat any disorders, but we can give advice, provide information, and even offer sympathy (some people are better at this than others).



Uhhh... I don't know WHAT you're on about. I'm simply talking about people who get paid to weed out the trolls and abusive content on websites. Nobody here is going to have to pay a fee more membership. I'm assuming that this would be paid for by the ad revenue generated by WP. Calm down! You're kind of scaring me.


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02 Oct 2019, 5:05 pm

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I'm simply talking about people who get paid to weed out the trolls and abusive content on websites. Nobody here is going to have to pay a fee more membership. I'm assuming that this would be paid for by the ad revenue generated by WP. Calm down! You're kind of scaring me.
It should be scary. If Alex could afford paid professionals, we would already have paid professionals -- the ad revenue from this website must not be sufficient, so membership fees would be needed.

(Maybe also selling our personal data to targeted advertisers would be needed, as well.)

Of course, if all you're really talking about is dismissing our current staff and hiring the on-line equivalent of mall cops, then the only gain would be "fresh blood", and nothing more. We might even experience "I'm getting paid to do this, so who are you to question my decisions" degree of arrogance instead of our current "We don't get paid, and we're doing the best we can" degree of humility.

The Walrus has made his case clear. Any reasonable person can see that.


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02 Oct 2019, 5:14 pm

There is more to WP than PPR.
The sub forums impact on eachother, the people who mainly post in one section dont get this and aren't invested in the community as a whole. I have less interest in their opinions than in the opinions of people who contribute across the sub forums.

Dont know how the AUTISTIC mods put up with this crap voluntarily. Its mind boggling how intolerant members are of them as actual human beings.



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02 Oct 2019, 5:16 pm

Also there are members on here that live in countries outside of America.

IMAGINE THAT!

Perspectives that aren't American!!