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I agree with you that many Republicans are not pro-Trump; Republicans that are fiscally conservative certainly do not support the kind of spending that Trump has been supportive of even before the virus stimulus.

Trump wasn't supposed to be elected; the long standing power structure was intending on continuing being in power. I think it's very simple: Trump is a direct and real threat to the power structure not only in the U.S. but also the world. What do I mean by "power structure"?

> The permanent government bureaucracy that doesn't change when presidential administrations do.
>Political elites - the class of career politicians from both parties
>Political parties - both parties in the U.S.
>Academia
>Corporations
>The Media

It's hard for me to believe, there are people out there that apparently do not believe that the above groups have a symbiotic relationship to each other and any coordination is coincidental. Coincidence that people from the above groups are known to "rub elbows" with each other as a matter of course?

The list above isn't all inclusive, but the six groups that I mention do comprise the "power structure" not only in the U.S., but also in general, globally.

If the above groups had an honest and genuine interest in serving the public's best interest (ie working together to provide the safest and healthiest life for all people), then that would be a good thing. However, if the above groups are self-serving and their goals are even counter to the public's (and each indivdual) best interests, that's a bad thing.

There are people that are interested in trying to figure out who the decision makers might be that control, influence and direct the power structure. I'm not interested in that.

You mean the locked one?

I guess, in this context, "Stupid", could include "Ignorant".

The other thing to consider:
Have you ever read the drivel of Nazi ideology?
I see those who embrace neo-Nazi philosophy as simple-minded.
Ironic, huh?
Meaning they see themselves as superior but don't measure up in reality.
Neanderthals in jack-boots.
Remember,
The Song "Du Hast" is an antifascist song that the neo-Nazis embrace as their "National" anthem.

Oh!
Was saying that against WP rulz?

But if there is a shared bias?
I think I have found a flaw in your argument.

If true,
That is obviously a mistake.
We are only human.

Assuming that quote is accurate, I agree with you that it was unacceptable.
"Badgering the witness, me Lord."

I did flick through a translated copy of Mein Kampf that came through the charity bookshop I volunteer in...
Yes, one would have to be either stupid, ignorant, or overcome by self-pity and entitlement to find it convincing.
I’ve been going with the assumption that one must be a failure by ones own standards to need an ideology of superiority in the first place.
I noticed that musical irony too

Although, to be fair to neo-Nazis: the whole aesthetic of Nazism is so ludicrously hyper-masculine that telling the difference between the real deal and a parody with homo-erotic overtones must be rather hard.

Now I want to watch The Producers again.

O/T
Wot?
Do you speak German,
Or did you translate it?

Rammstein deliberately muddled the words and meaning when it was "transported" to English.
I think they realised that if the neo-Nazis were to comprehend the true meaning of the lyrics, they would stop buying their albums.

I'm surprised you, a non-German, worked out what was really being said.
You would have needed significant knowledge of WWII history also, btw.
Should I press you as to your understanding of the real message in the song?
Or did you read my thread about my analysis, made some time ago?
Perhaps you came across a critique elsewhere?



No, I wouldn't call it homo-erotic.
Perhaps I am mistaken,
But I think the sexualised aspect of the Nazi-Era came after the event, though the Nazis were known to be hedonistic/"debauched" in certain quarters.
You are aware that Hitler himself had a disdain of homosexuality?
And that there was no great love lost when the purge of the "Brown Shirts" happened, presumably, partly because of this?

There was a powerfully seductive brutality behind the German war machine.
Patton was very impressed and was assassinated for his views, after the war.

It spoke to the dark recesses of Freud's "ID", or what I call "The Beast Within: The barbaric self-serving emotional reptile of the primitive aspect of the brain." <melodramic music>
Who wouldn't want to be part of a "Master Race"?
Well the young ones, at least.

The Nazi Hierarchy put enormous effort/energy in the psychological manipulation of the German people.
And there was use of hypnotic suggestion embedded in the Grandeur of their rallies, for instance.
An amazing manipulation into groupthink, with its denial of individuality.
A perfect tool for a megalomaniacal Dictator.

Errr,
<cough>
I have no fascist sympathies,
I assure you.
I am just agreeing with you,
It was extremely seductive and comprehensible if one understands the evolution of the human species and the fallibility of the human psyche.

They are by no means the only ones. Take NK as just one modern example. (statues and portraits all over the place...)

And how well lit Pyongyang is compared to the rest of that place.

I can't see the fascination people have for charmless leaders who mobilize them to surrender their individual thought like that.

To be honest I didn’t know they had done an English-language version of that song!
More of I’ve seen their music videos, can get a minimalist gist of the odd line or two scattered here and there... and have a memory of reading interviews with them in metal magazines: “they’re a pretty left-wing bunch of guys” was my impression.
So, therefore, I assume that any neo-Nazi fan of theirs has probably grasped the stick firmly by the wrong end
There is an analysis of the video of their more recent single Deutschland on youtube on the Three Arrows channel, which I quite enjoyed.

Yes, I am aware of the pre-power cultivation of a “gay wing” of the NSDAP: followed by their merciless slaughter after power had been attained. It floats into my consciousness every time I see it claimed “members of x minority are unlikely to support fascist political movements”...

I’ve also read that Hitler had great disdain for the occult circle that gathered around Himmler: I suppose they too would have been eliminated if time and circumstances had allowed.

Have a hard time telling where conscious manipulation ends, and the sheer dumb “luck”* of operating in a time and a place where there was pre-existing widespread vulnerability to their propaganda begins.

(Not that I think that’s anything particular to Germany, impression I’ve got is that any/every group of humans is potentially vulnerable, given the “right”** chain of events... nature of the beast as you say)

Didn’t think you were a sympathiser
By the same token that one doesn’t need to be a raving tanky***
to find the sheer speed of the industrialisation of the USSR under Stalin’s regime breathtaking, one doesn’t have to be a neo-Nazi to appreciate the skill of the NSDAP propaganda machine.
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* luck seems a deeply inappropriate word, but I can’t think how to better phrase the thought at this moment in time.
** ditto.
*** Stalin apologist, don’t know if that piece of slang is current outside British leftist circles, so I’m footnoting it.

Regardless.
A "True" neo-Nazi would look down on autistics, useful or otherwise.
There are idiots in every "Tribe".

Correct.
"Nazism" is a subset of fascism.

A lot of Republican representatives just have to grin and bear it.
Self-preservation at play.

Finally!
I have been wanting to agree with Fnord for, well, forever.

Germany/the-German-people were humiliated by the Versailles Treaty. (Talk about a BIG mistake).
It created a climate of resentment.
Is it any wonder why people rallied behind someone who promised to resort "National Honor"?

And the exact same thing is happening with Nazi china, erm, I mean china.
"100 years of humiliation."
Hence the danger of its growing military and economic power with its totalitarian, psychopathic ruling component.

Seriously, human psychology is pathetic.

Ha!
One "One-up-man-ship" point to Pepe.

Yes, you were right.
"Their heart is on the left".
But you didn't come to the conclusion through the forensic analysis of their German lyrics.

When the words were put into "Englisch", it was made into a romantic scenario.
Those guys will do anything for the almighty dollar,
Which is hardly surprising, when you consider they came from the deprivation of East German.



A lot of simple-minded people think it was a purely German phenomenon,
And that feeds their inherent racism, ironically.
That is dangerous. <Pepe looks at china>