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18 May 2025, 3:32 am

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That would be a rather dystopian future. Not being able to see relatives of the opposite gender, not being able to have friends of the opposite gender...I wouldn't want that. It'd certainly suck for m/f couples perfectly happy together.


Identity, both internalised and enforced, and modern lifestyles have made communication, even within genders, a problem. It seems people like myself are relegated to having open minded and casual conversation only on the internet and even here there are limits.

My impression is everyone is both "too busy" and strategically making interactions transactional. this is even before we start with gender, identity or socioeconomic background. Mao tse tung's curse on the capitalist west is alive and well, "May you live in interesting times".


Yeah I don't know how people have time to find love and to invest in long term relationships

Everything these days seems to be about speed and instant gratification

That's from my personal observations btw
I can't speak for what other people observe


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18 May 2025, 3:50 am

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Yeah I don't know how people have time to find love and to invest in long term relationships

Everything these days seems to be about speed and instant gratification

That's from my personal observations btw
I can't speak for what other people observe


More specifically the effort needed to invest in long term relationships is now greater than any benefit from the aforementioned potential relationship. Has depth has been replaced by superficial gratification, yes.



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18 May 2025, 4:01 am

I don't think I've ever been in a relationship where I haven't had my mind in the way out of it from the start

I can't be unique in this

It's not even that I'm looking for something else while I'm in the situation

It's just that I sort of value my freedom more than I value the relationship


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18 May 2025, 4:02 am

My supposed mother is the same apparently


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18 May 2025, 4:07 am

cyberdora wrote:
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Yeah I don't know how people have time to find love and to invest in long term relationships

Everything these days seems to be about speed and instant gratification

That's from my personal observations btw
I can't speak for what other people observe


More specifically the effort needed to invest in long term relationships is now greater than any benefit from the aforementioned potential relationship. Has depth has been replaced by superficial gratification, yes.


Are you referring to the sunk-cost fallacy?



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18 May 2025, 4:19 am

Dunno mate

What's that


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18 May 2025, 4:40 am

babybird wrote:
Dunno mate

What's that


It's what @cyberdora described

Sunk-cost fallacy refers to investing resources into something so much that it makes it harder to walk away from even if the idea no longer makes sense

Like if you were in a 10-year marriage but you decide you no longer love your partner

Do you decide to...

-End the marriage and divorce?

or

-Continue with the relationship anyway?

Sunk-cost fallacy dictates that you stay married because you invested too much during the dating stage!! !



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18 May 2025, 4:51 am

Oh man yeah I get it

It's easy to find yourself trapped in something and then you feel an obligation to be kind to the other person

I think it's hard to be a human being where relationships are concerned


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18 May 2025, 5:01 am

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Oh man yeah I get it

It's easy to find yourself trapped in something and then you feel an obligation to be kind to the other person

I think it's hard to be a human being where relationships are concerned


Yes, if you invest too much into a relationship you run the high risk of it backfiring! !!

This is what eventually leads to imprisonment!

Sunk-cost fallacy creates an internal conflict



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18 May 2025, 5:12 am

Yeah someone told me that getting into a relationship with someone is like gambling

I've not quite worked out what that means but I can sort of understand it

It's all about your feelings and that innit


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18 May 2025, 5:16 am

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Yeah someone told me that getting into a relationship with someone is like gambling

I've not quite worked out what that means but I can sort of understand it

It's all about your feelings and that innit


You never know what you are going to get!! !

The whole purpose of marriage and relationships in general is to create an attachment to the other person

If you cannot handle the possibility of being corrupted by the sunk-cost fallacy DON'T GET MARRIED!



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18 May 2025, 5:22 am

So how do you personally feel about getting married these days

I'm only asking because you're attitude towards relationships seems to have shifted during the last couple of years


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18 May 2025, 5:24 am

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So how do you personally feel about getting married these days

I'm only asking because you're attitude towards relationships seems to have shifted during the last couple of years


I still want and desire it but...I am being VERY cautious and careful about rushing into something I may truly not be ready for yet!! !



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18 May 2025, 5:28 am

You're doing well
You should be proud of yourself

I wish I would have worked all that out when I was younger


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18 May 2025, 5:37 am

babybird wrote:
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That would be a rather dystopian future. Not being able to see relatives of the opposite gender, not being able to have friends of the opposite gender...I wouldn't want that. It'd certainly suck for m/f couples perfectly happy together.


Identity, both internalised and enforced, and modern lifestyles have made communication, even within genders, a problem. It seems people like myself are relegated to having open minded and casual conversation only on the internet and even here there are limits.

My impression is everyone is both "too busy" and strategically making interactions transactional. this is even before we start with gender, identity or socioeconomic background. Mao tse tung's curse on the capitalist west is alive and well, "May you live in interesting times".


Yeah I don't know how people have time to find love and to invest in long term relationships

Everything these days seems to be about speed and instant gratification

That's from my personal observations btw
I can't speak for what other people observe
I think lots of people are thinking short term when getting in a relationship like the guy is focused on the women being attractive & the woman is hoping to have a nice night out & if the transactional relationship continues it evolves into something deeper & long term.


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18 May 2025, 5:33 pm

@Miku, to some extent the sunk-cost fallacy does explain what I said. But there is a subtle nuance.

Human beings evaluate cost/benefit of every decision, it's called insight learning. Chimpanzees or even crows do this when they are determining how to solve a problem to get at food.

But with humans we evaluate in more detail and rationalise these conundrums through the cost/benefit analysis. And yes this aligns with falling into the sunk/cost fallacy but there's one catch. It's not always a fallacy.

Many of us will still embark on a decision where the benefit is either difficult to see or unlikely to compensate for the cost. Why? because there is the hope that it might lead to something good. And then the high cost will one day be worth it. Doomsday preppers are a good example (perhaps at one extreme). Animals will do this only when they are protecting their young against a predator who they know will kill them but the biological imperative to fight kicks in to protect their progeny.

Mating is biologically hard coded in our DNA, somebody with an extreme view of Nature > nurture might even say free will is a false belief, all our behaviour is effectively programmed by the imperative to pass our genes so we (in this instance) might go against the grain even in an environment perceived to be hostile to our attractiveness as a mate and keep trying. In some respect we males are materialistic like male birds who preen themselves all day and collect pretty baubles to decorate their nest in order to gain status and attract a mate, even when we know we the odds are stacked against us.