Israel Bombs Tehran
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Another core of their belief is Taqiyah: is the practice of dissimulation and secrecy of religious belief and practice.
And oh, another core belief is to destroy you (yes, the US, not just Israel), but that's another story.
The fact that Khohmeni (the first ruler) claimed that Iran wouldn't never developer nuclear weapons because it's "unislamic" and yet we see it today reached 60% of Uranian enrichment (you only need 3% for civil uses) is one striking example.
Saying that, the ones who are in control of Iran today, are not in any shape or form, rational humans; thinking otherwise is setting yourself into a death trap.
I'm a little disappointed your argument boils down to they're liars... trust me bro.
You are one of those people who never admit they are wrong, aren’t you?
Your political analysis is infallible - you, an American (or Brit), who claims to understand better than me, an ex Muslim Shi’a, about what the Iranian regime is founded on. Interesting. So when I talk about their core beliefs it’s better that you listen carefully what I am saying… « bro ».
Though I know your stubbornness is a hopeless case, do some readings:
https://mei.edu/publications/irans-revo ... apocalypse
I don't claim to understand better than you, only that so far you've failed to make much of a persuasive case.
My belief that you might have better insight is the main reason why your 'trust me bro' level response was so disappointing, because I expected you to be able to make a persuasive argument given the role Iran has played in interfering your country's politics for ages.
But you failed to demonstrate that your insights are any better than CD's.
I'm not arguing Iran = good, only that Israel = worse.
I'll read what you've posted since, maybe the problem was being too lazy to make your case, rather than not actually having a case.
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^ I don’t get what depth of “persuasive argument” you are expecting from one post; are you expecting me to write a full geopolitical book here for you to be satisfied? I stated quick facts with links to deep analysis written by people who are expert in Iranian affairs (things you could google yourself to understand what I was hinting on in my first reply to you, which I stated them based on things I already read about and personal background).
Besides, this is the news forum, not the PPR.
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Ali Khamenei literally claims that God speaks through him.
https://x.com/IranIntl_En/status/174205 ... 2401029230
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MOUNTING DEATH TOLL: At least 224 people have been killed since Israel began bombing Iran on Friday, Iranian state media reported, while Iranian retaliatory strikes have killed at least 24 people in Israel.
SENIOR IRANIANS KILLED: Israeli airstrikes have wiped out much of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s inner circle.
ISRAELI WARNING: Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz accused Tehran of targeting Israeli civilians and said “residents of Iran will pay the price.”
IRANIAN EXECUTION: Iran has executed a man convicted of spying for Israel's Mossad intelligence agency, Iran's semiofficial Fars news agency reported.
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I keep coming across claims that Iran hacked Israel's SAMs. I'm curious if this can be confirmed or ruled out.
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to quote the pussycat dolls - I hate this part right here
Any conflict that ends in civilian (non-combatant) deaths. this includes the unnecessary death toll of Palestinian civilians in Gaza.
but...the reason I posted the map showing Iran's "axis of resistance" is how Iran is spreading forment and chaos throughout the region.
Iran has also helped Islamic state, the muslim brotherhood and the taliban evade sanctions by engaging in trade/cooperation for mutual benefit.
the map misses a critical group sponsored by Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_s ... cial%20aid.
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I'd like to see some evidence to support the idea that Iran and ISIS have cooperated, given that ISIS considers all Shiites to be non-believers and also are hostile to any Islamic causes that also embrace nationalism because they see nationalism as inherently anti-Islamic and see themselves as the only valid Islamic state.
I'm not saying it couldn't possibly happen (after all, the Nazis and Soviets cooperated), only that it's unlikely due to their ideologies.
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I'd like to see some evidence to support the idea that Iran and ISIS have cooperated, given that ISIS considers all Shiites to be non-believers and also are hostile to any Islamic causes that also embrace nationalism because they see nationalism as inherently anti-Islamic and see themselves as the only valid Islamic state.
I'm not saying it couldn't possibly happen (after all, the Nazis and Soviets cooperated), only that it's unlikely due to their ideologies.
I will not claim anything about the relation between Iran and ISIS since there’s poor evidence.
But your reasoning of dismissing the possibility is very naive: “they view them as kuffar therefore no way Iran would support them”.
Put ISIS aside, let’s talk about Hamas.
Hamas follows the school of thought of Ibn Taymiyya and this was expressed clearly in a speech by the spokesperson of Kataeb el Qassam’s: Abu Obeida.
Ibn Taymiyya school of thought views all Shi’a as blasphemous non-believers.
So go figure.
I agree with Boo, this is a news thread, not a philosophy/morality/ethics thread
From my own perspective I have tried to look at "insights" into the Israel's motivations because otherwise (from what I have seen) this all becomes a "lets bash Israel and anyone who dares to look at Israel's situation".
I have asked you before. what is the endgame for Palestinian resistance? what will it look like? So far only Matchbox vagabond has been brave enough to offer the solution that ends the resistance. the dismantling of the state of Israel. the reality in 2025 is this scenario will never happen in the foreseeable future, so what then? continue the resistance?
the only realistic solution is for people/groups in the region (Palestine, Lebanon, Yemen, Syria and Iraq) to stop relying on armed insurrection. Negotiate peacefully. that's what the world wants.
South Africa's black population were far more mature about their struggle, they achieved their goals through a combination of peaceful protest and convincing the world to impose economic sanctions. Not armed insurrection. the latter clearly hasn't worked for the middle east region or bought results. the only winners are extremist groups and Iran.
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I'd like to see some evidence to support the idea that Iran and ISIS have cooperated, given that ISIS considers all Shiites to be non-believers and also are hostile to any Islamic causes that also embrace nationalism because they see nationalism as inherently anti-Islamic and see themselves as the only valid Islamic state.
I'm not saying it couldn't possibly happen (after all, the Nazis and Soviets cooperated), only that it's unlikely due to their ideologies.
I will not claim anything about the relation between Iran and ISIS since there’s poor evidence.
But your reasoning of dismissing the possibility is very naive: “they view them as kuffar therefore no way Iran would support them”.
Put ISIS aside, let’s talk about Hamas.
Hamas follows the school of thought of Ibn Taymiyya and this was expressed clearly in a speech by the spokesperson of Kataeb el Qassam’s: Abu Obeida.
Ibn Taymiyya school of thought views all Shi’a as blasphemous non-believers.
So go figure.
Almost like Hamas might be less fundamentalist than ISIS.
Which isn't to suggest that they're not fundamentalists, only that fundamentalists have plenty of points of potential conflict with each other instead of all being some unified cause with no conflicts within.
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But imposing economic sanctions against Israel, which I support, have been viewed anti-semitic as most critic.
How can Palestine be insurrectionist, unless you see Israel as the legitimate power over Palestinian? Since no other country will defend them, surely the should have the right to defend themselves, no? (And no, I don't support terrorism. Neither from Hamas or Israel) Another point to the argument of having the right to defend themselves, which most often is attributed to Israel's cause. I agree with that, but that requires that they uphold the other international laws, like human rights for an example. Similar to bank robber forfeits his right to freedom of movement by robbing banks. Sure, we can discuss laws being right/wrong. But I disagree with picking and choosing which to abide by.
In the latest peace negotiations Hamas renounced their claim to power over Gaza. They were willing to give it back to the people. It was Israel which refused that and demanded it to be taken out.
Another interesting fact. In the latest poll of the Israeli people, over half supported to genocide the Palestinian. That is sick. Propaganda has a strong effect.
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Another interesting fact. In the latest poll of the Israeli people, over half supported to genocide the Palestinian. That is sick. Propaganda has a strong effect.
So if economic sanctions have limited impact on Israel what's the alternative? how does the international community gain leverage?
Sometimes patience is a virtue, eventually the Israeli people will be fed up with being embargoed and throw Netanyahu out of government.
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Which will never happen.
Those nations don’t like each other that much.
For me, it is not a bad news at all

As I said in the other thread: The US-Iran talks had been going since early 2000s(?); went though under many different US presidents, and yet nothing is closed. And on every hiccup Iran used one of its proxy groups to shuffle the cards: ie. The kidnapping of Israeli soldiers that led to July war 2006 in Lebanon; and the launch of Hezbollah missiles on 13th October 2023 which led to the 23th septembre 2024 war.
I mean it's one thing to be against two governments- but war has very real effects on a country's entire populace. And as shown in Palestine, the Israeli government has demonstrated their willingness to harm civilians in increasing number.
So you don't like those scumbags who are hiding among the civilians? Who use civilians as shields?
So what do you have to say about Hamas's massive rape, torture, and murder of women and children? Do you support Hamas at that since they were mostly Israeli women and children?
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Netanyahu signaled a news briefing today that he is not interested in a ceasefire.
Netanyahu reiterated that Israel's goal in starting the escalation Friday is to eliminate Iran's nuclear program, its ballistic missile production and "the terror axis."
"First of all, we are interested in achieving the result I mentioned — the elimination of the three threats I outlined," he said when he was asked about a ceasefire. "We are not backing down from that, and the people of Israel will not settle for less."
Netanyahu did not rule out regime change or assassinating Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
"We will do whatever is necessary," he said.
Trump won't sign G7 statements urging Israel-Iran de-escalation, official says
A White House official told NBC News that Trump will not sign any potential G7 joint statement urging a de-escalation of conflict between Israel and Iran.
“Under the strong leadership of President Trump, the United States is back to leading the effort to restore peace around the world. President Trump will continue to work towards ensuring Iran cannot obtain a nuclear weapon,” the White House official said.
The potential of a draft statement was first reported by CBS News
U.S. sending another aircraft carrier, more warships to Middle East, officials say
The Pentagon is expediting the deployment of an additional aircraft carrier and other ships to the Middle East as the conflict deepens, according to two U.S. officials.
The USS Nimitz and its attending ships, now in Asia, are being sent to the Middle East “without delay,” according to a U.S. official. The Nimitz and the strike group’s other ships will join the USS Carl Vinson carrier strike group, which is on its seventh month of deployment in the region. The Nimitz should arrive in the region in the next week or so, the official said.
The move means the United States is expected to have two carrier strike groups in the Middle East for at least the next month or more, until the Vinson returns home this summer, the U.S. official said.
The Nimitz was already scheduled to head to the Middle East, before the conflict broke out. But Navy officials canceled a scheduled port call in Vietnam to get the Nimitz and its ships to the Middle East slightly faster, the official said.
Separately, other ships, including Navy destroyers, are also headed to the region, the U.S. official said. Those ships, now based in U.S. European Command, have ballistic missile defense capabilities that are being used to defend Israel and U.S. assets in the region. They will join others already off Israel.
“In coming days, you’ll see more ships with ballistic missile defense capabilities join them,” the U.S. official said.
Iranian and Israeli phones appear to be getting fake emergency messages
As Iran and Israel exchange missile fire, people in both countries have been receiving fake emergency messages on their phones.
Some Iranians have received calls from Iraqi numbers with a recorded message instructing them to stock up on essential goods, said Amir Rashidi, an Iran researcher at the Miaan Group, a nonprofit organization that advocates for human rights in Iran. Rashidi obtained a recording of the call and translated it and shared it with NBC News.
Israel’s National Cyber Directorate issued a warning today about a text message campaign that claimed fuel shortages and discouraged Israelis from seeking shelter.
2,775 people evacuated, 14,583 damage claims amid Iran attacks, Israeli official says
Israel’s finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, said thousands of residents have been evacuated in response to Iran's strikes.
"Our teams have handled, as of Saturday, 14,583 claims for direct damage from the attacks from Iran," Smotrich said in a release today. "We are assisting 2,775 residents who were evacuated from their homes, most of whom were accommodated in hotels through the local authorities in a model we determined in advance."
"So far, we have identified 24 structures, buildings that are designated for demolition," he added.
Trump tells Tehran's estimated 10 million residents to leave 'immediately'
Criticizing Iran's leadership for failing to quickly agree to limitations on its nuclear ambitions, Trump today urged Tehran residents to "immediately evacuate."
“What a shame, and waste of human life. Simply stated, IRAN CAN NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON. I said it over and over again! Everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
It would likely be logistically complicated for Tehran, a city of nearly 10 million people, to evacuate. Since Israel’s strikes on the country began, airports in Iran and across the Middle East have been closed, and many roads have been blocked.
Trump opposed — and then reluctantly supported — Israel’s military action against Iran. The White House said earlier today that Trump will not sign any potential G7 statement calling for de-escalation.
Trump tells Tehran's estimated 10 million residents to leave 'immediately', continued
Iranian and U.S. delegations wrapped up a round of talks in Rome last month over Iran's nuclear ambitions and the uranium enrichment that could ultimately fuel them.
At the time, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said there was potential for progress, and the two sides have continued to spar this month over the future of the uranium enrichment.
The United States is supporting Israel by sending a second aircraft carrier to the region, as well as warships with ballistic missile defense capabilities.
Trump to leave G7 summit early to focus on conflict in Middle East, White House says
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt wrote on X that "because of what’s going on in the Middle East, President Trump will be leaving tonight after dinner with Heads of State."
"I have to be back as soon as I can," Trump told reporters in response to a question Monday night about his plans to leave the summit early.
"We’re gonna have dinner with these wonderful leaders and then I get on a plane. I have to be back early for obvious reasons."
Trump has requested that the National Security Council be prepared in the Situation Room when he returns from the summit, an administration official told NBC News.
Administration officials did not immediately respond to requests for additional details.
A State Department spokesperson confirmed that Secretary of State Marco Rubio is returning to Washington with Trump.
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Netanyahu signaled a news briefing today that he is not interested in a ceasefire.
Netanyahu reiterated that Israel's goal in starting the escalation Friday is to eliminate Iran's nuclear program, its ballistic missile production and "the terror axis."
"First of all, we are interested in achieving the result I mentioned — the elimination of the three threats I outlined," he said when he was asked about a ceasefire. "We are not backing down from that, and the people of Israel will not settle for less."
Netanyahu did not rule out regime change or assassinating Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
"We will do whatever is necessary," he said.
Trump won't sign G7 statements urging Israel-Iran de-escalation, official says
A White House official told NBC News that Trump will not sign any potential G7 joint statement urging a de-escalation of conflict between Israel and Iran.
“Under the strong leadership of President Trump, the United States is back to leading the effort to restore peace around the world. President Trump will continue to work towards ensuring Iran cannot obtain a nuclear weapon,” the White House official said.
The potential of a draft statement was first reported by CBS News
U.S. sending another aircraft carrier, more warships to Middle East, officials say
The Pentagon is expediting the deployment of an additional aircraft carrier and other ships to the Middle East as the conflict deepens, according to two U.S. officials.
The USS Nimitz and its attending ships, now in Asia, are being sent to the Middle East “without delay,” according to a U.S. official. The Nimitz and the strike group’s other ships will join the USS Carl Vinson carrier strike group, which is on its seventh month of deployment in the region. The Nimitz should arrive in the region in the next week or so, the official said.
The move means the United States is expected to have two carrier strike groups in the Middle East for at least the next month or more, until the Vinson returns home this summer, the U.S. official said.
The Nimitz was already scheduled to head to the Middle East, before the conflict broke out. But Navy officials canceled a scheduled port call in Vietnam to get the Nimitz and its ships to the Middle East slightly faster, the official said.
Separately, other ships, including Navy destroyers, are also headed to the region, the U.S. official said. Those ships, now based in U.S. European Command, have ballistic missile defense capabilities that are being used to defend Israel and U.S. assets in the region. They will join others already off Israel.
“In coming days, you’ll see more ships with ballistic missile defense capabilities join them,” the U.S. official said.
Iranian and Israeli phones appear to be getting fake emergency messages
As Iran and Israel exchange missile fire, people in both countries have been receiving fake emergency messages on their phones.
Some Iranians have received calls from Iraqi numbers with a recorded message instructing them to stock up on essential goods, said Amir Rashidi, an Iran researcher at the Miaan Group, a nonprofit organization that advocates for human rights in Iran. Rashidi obtained a recording of the call and translated it and shared it with NBC News.
Israel’s National Cyber Directorate issued a warning today about a text message campaign that claimed fuel shortages and discouraged Israelis from seeking shelter.
2,775 people evacuated, 14,583 damage claims amid Iran attacks, Israeli official says
Israel’s finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, said thousands of residents have been evacuated in response to Iran's strikes.
"Our teams have handled, as of Saturday, 14,583 claims for direct damage from the attacks from Iran," Smotrich said in a release today. "We are assisting 2,775 residents who were evacuated from their homes, most of whom were accommodated in hotels through the local authorities in a model we determined in advance."
"So far, we have identified 24 structures, buildings that are designated for demolition," he added.
Trump tells Tehran's estimated 10 million residents to leave 'immediately'
Criticizing Iran's leadership for failing to quickly agree to limitations on its nuclear ambitions, Trump today urged Tehran residents to "immediately evacuate."
“What a shame, and waste of human life. Simply stated, IRAN CAN NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON. I said it over and over again! Everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
It would likely be logistically complicated for Tehran, a city of nearly 10 million people, to evacuate. Since Israel’s strikes on the country began, airports in Iran and across the Middle East have been closed, and many roads have been blocked.
Trump opposed — and then reluctantly supported — Israel’s military action against Iran. The White House said earlier today that Trump will not sign any potential G7 statement calling for de-escalation.
Trump tells Tehran's estimated 10 million residents to leave 'immediately', continued
Iranian and U.S. delegations wrapped up a round of talks in Rome last month over Iran's nuclear ambitions and the uranium enrichment that could ultimately fuel them.
At the time, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said there was potential for progress, and the two sides have continued to spar this month over the future of the uranium enrichment.
The United States is supporting Israel by sending a second aircraft carrier to the region, as well as warships with ballistic missile defense capabilities.
Trump to leave G7 summit early to focus on conflict in Middle East, White House says
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt wrote on X that "because of what’s going on in the Middle East, President Trump will be leaving tonight after dinner with Heads of State."
"I have to be back as soon as I can," Trump told reporters in response to a question Monday night about his plans to leave the summit early.
"We’re gonna have dinner with these wonderful leaders and then I get on a plane. I have to be back early for obvious reasons."
Trump has requested that the National Security Council be prepared in the Situation Room when he returns from the summit, an administration official told NBC News.
Administration officials did not immediately respond to requests for additional details.
A State Department spokesperson confirmed that Secretary of State Marco Rubio is returning to Washington with Trump.
I imagine insurance premiums just went up in tehran?
Ayatollah reaping what he has sowed. Salman Rushdie sends his regards...
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