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TheMachine1
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08 Sep 2007, 3:10 am

gwenevyn wrote:

Out of curiosity--aside from posters who are clearly trolls--how often does this scenario occur?

Today (last 24 hr TM1 time) I removed two posts.

Graelwyn made a double thread post by mistake "Leggings grrr..."

sunburned-soul "Room for rent in Florida" he made nearly the same thread a few days before. I removed the old one no one replied to.

Those are example of minor daily things that have to be done everyday.

Every few days some flaming between a few members will break out. Those posts will be removed and threads locked or removed if they seem like they are only going to be used for future conflict.

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08 Sep 2007, 3:21 am

You guys are pretty good about cleaning things up promptly.

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08 Sep 2007, 4:09 am

gwenevyn wrote:

You guys are pretty good about cleaning things up promptly.

TM1's mostly good on general day-to-day janitoring, I'm probably better on requests, and we both do our best when a spammer/troll rocks up into town.

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08 Sep 2007, 7:53 am

TheMachine1 wrote:

Those are example of minor daily things that have to be done everyday.

The minor cuts really don't count.
I'd see double posts all over, back
when the server was worse. Just an
option, to make the site cleaner.

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Every few days some flaming between a few members will break out. Those posts will be removed and threads locked or removed if they seem like they are only going to be used for future conflict.

This is the biggie. And it's damned hard to
decide when to actually go in and cut. As well
as where.

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08 Sep 2007, 4:54 pm

gwenevyn wrote:

You guys are pretty good about cleaning things up promptly.

It's a dirty work but someone has to do it.

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08 Sep 2007, 5:05 pm

greenblue wrote:

gwenevyn wrote:

You guys are pretty good about cleaning things up promptly.

It's a dirty work but someone has to do it.

Oui oui. Are you on the clean-up crew now, too?

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08 Sep 2007, 5:55 pm

oh no, I'm not lol
But I figured it may be a lot like that

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10 Sep 2007, 3:35 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:

Every few days some flaming between a few members will break out. Those posts will be removed and threads locked or removed if they seem like they are only going to be used for future conflict.

Thing is, that doesnt remove the issue, or the argument, or the bad feelings in general. It just removes the evidence that would help support one party or another in coming to a resolution, or proving exactly which person was acting out of order. (Or proving they both are, for that matter.) I notice it also makes people draw the wrong conclusion about certain posts.

UserA (on unrelated thread, after previous fight thread is deleted.) : I have this opinion on this thread.

UserB (the other half of the older conflict): you're an almight cockspanner and need to die of cancer to the cheeks

UserC: WTF? All he said was "i have this opinion"... I lack context for this so I'm going to arbitrarily decide that UserB is an a***hole.

Or any combination of the above. What might seem like a "flaming" response to something innoucous could well be merely the latest post in a long and complex falling out of users.

It also makes it hard to use previous threads for reference, and some threads are quite good, even when theyre angry ones, with a lot of good information in them. Also, some threads are quite happy to continue around the fighting.

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10 Sep 2007, 3:57 pm

It tends to do a couple of things.
One, it makes it clear that there
is displeasure with what is going
on, and since warnings are discouraged
(to say the least), it's the only means
the mods have of doing so.

Two, it is NOT destroyed, but moved
to the mod forum, where it serves as
evidence to remind the staff of prior bad
behavior.

Three, it does dampen an argument, when
the posts can't be retrieved.

Overall, 'tis an effective strategy. Just
a cumbersome one.

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10 Sep 2007, 4:39 pm

calandale wrote:

I always preferred the IRC style method of "logging", where you keep long records of all conversations had, so when someone accuses you of X thing, you can retrieve evidence to support your claim. OK, so you can fake them, but if more than one person has the same log, it can definitely help.

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12 Sep 2007, 2:44 am

TheMachine1 wrote:

ShadesOfMe wrote:

Not true. I would rather be warned, then banned on the spot and confused,

I think the point people are not understanding is banning is not the usual alternative to a warning. When a warning would seem the right thing to you and others I say simply removing the offending post is more practical. The problem is removed and no one is confronted with authority.

removing a post and completely banning a member are two different things.

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12 Sep 2007, 3:20 am

ShadesOfMe wrote:

removing a post and completely banning a member are two different things.

I've had my posts removed on other forums. I know its not a pleasant thing for people. So its not something thats done willy nilly
either.

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12 Sep 2007, 3:22 am

It certainly isn't. Which is really nice.
I know that I piss and moan a hell of
a lot, but this site is pretty damned liberal.

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12 Sep 2007, 3:47 am

What's a "sockpuppet"?

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12 Sep 2007, 3:49 am

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A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.[1]

In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."[2]

The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym is the pretence that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.

The term was first employed on Usenet in reference to Earl Curley, who had used various pseudonyms to defend his character and arguments and to denigrate his opponents.[citation needed]

From wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet

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12 Sep 2007, 5:23 am

A sockpuppet is a poor man's sockpocket

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