Waking Theta Brainwave states

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andyet you seem to be his biggest fan.


btw, had to block your avatar. there's enough ugliness in your posts without having a visual ugliness as well.

^wtf^

Duh huh pretending to find ulterior motives is fun

He's full of shit and I'm calling him out on being full of shit. It's not hard to understand



I used one of these guys to measure the major proportions of my face and most of them lined up with phi pretty well so you got some 'splaining to do

Anyway, I'll start listening to you when you make it through the third trimester...

Chever - why do you want to try and hurt people you don't know.

Maybe I'm a sadist; I'll be quite honest here

I believe it from your "Doomsday thread."

Yeah me too

This thread isn't on that topic.
Theres really very few real science explanations for how FTL might work.

However, most of them hinge on the possibility that there is such a thing as a graviton aka the quanta of gravity.
If we could not only find such a thing but learn to manipulate it via the other forces (lots of hope maybe for
magnetic fields and holomorphic fractal scalars...)

Then you just leave the universe via a hyperdimension, step into a new bubble of space, and then re-enter the universe
via a hyperdimension at a new location. There are a variety of ways to do this most of which seem to predict speeds relative to the 3d universe which make star trek speeds look laughable. IE it would seem that if possible the predictions show you'd be able to hop from here to the very edge of the observed universe in only the time it takes to build the wormholes. In fact, all trips would take the same time; the time it takes to build two wormholes.

I'm not sure why you would ask me to talk over here its clear that evil reject troll tards rule the universe, and that anything i say here is throwing pearls before swine.

Why can't you talk over at my place, esp if its going to fly off topic?




No, But i'd be happy to look and i read very quickly.



Well, its a singularity from our universe inflated inwardly the same way our universe is a singularity from a larger omniverse inflated inwardly.




I do think that more or less I derive my position from direct experiences and then real science which describes
those experiences. I go have experiences and perform thought experiments and then i do research and thats a cycle.
For a long time at first you build things and they break down in the thought experiment or you do research and find out it
was a quacky idea to start with, but eventually the two merge after a while.

I try not to believe in things. There is a high degree of probability that there are an infinite number of geometric dimensions in the omniverse and that the universe is a series of branes wrapped in a single inflation.





What can you do with trolls? Answering them shortly is not supply enough information. the only useful thing to do is flood the thread. Its my thread to flood, if the asshats can't stay on topic, then they are the ones who are to blame for me having to secure a reasonably good noise to signal ratio above them.

...said the expert on 'noise'

Attn: parakeet and chever

You've made your mocking insulting slightly humorous attitudes crystal clear - both of you. Unless I'm mistaken forum rules frown on that sort of thing. You may refuse to play nice and disrespect this thread, the OP, and those interested in it. Just remember I'm not obliged to converse with you nor you with me, especially if it proves confrontational, degrading and unproductive. I can imagine your sneering faces peering out from behind the verbal derision and arrogance of which you appear to be soooooo very proud.

These posts you have made in no way deserve a reply. This will simply serve to put you on notice that I won't tolerate it in the future. While I can't stop it, I can and will --- ignore it.


It's quite possibe many of us are "developmentally disabled". However I don't think you can use that forever to excuse your rude behavior. In a forum anyway it sure won't qualify as a class act. I humbly suggest you both recognize the probability that you've been conditioned to use negative behavior as a device to evoke attention and conflict. It's really a shame if either of you were abused as children. Regardless, you would both probably benefit from the services of a competent counselor. As for our future conversations in this forum, thanks but no thanks. I'm really not interested to engage in confrontational interaction constituting your raison d'etre.

Quite frankly you owe me an apology but I'm perfectly ok with not getting one. I really think the best course of action for us at this point is mutual avoidance. I volitionally reject 'turning the other cheek'. Often times those who verbally abuse others have themselves been similarly abused. If the foo sh*ts wear it.

Correct.



Awesome.

Thanks for your great reply.

I know from the get-go I probably won't be able to stay on topic. This is something that is almost impossible for me. If people are straying from the topic to be offensive that's another thing ...well..I try not to do THAT. I wouldn't blame you if you don't come back to this forum.

The things my mind connects require a huge leap and a drive to be creative in the field of sci-fi. I want to follow a semi-logical path to a creative conclusion and if the need arises to veer off from that path, oh well. The following is intended as suggestion, certainly not as truth or fact.

Gravity. Gravity impedes hyperdimensional travel which means it also impedes altered states of consciousness and probably also FTL. It's due to gravity that we aren't aware of dimensions beyond the sensorially perceived 3. And in fact our body's sensory/perceptual apparatus (5 senses) itself serves as a blockade for this type of awareness. If a civilization status quo wants to create opposition to altered states of conciousness all they need do is over-emphasize sexual, sensual and perceptual awareness of physical vehicle to the exclusion of creative mental states. It would be theoretically conceivable to trick the universe into thinking an object with mass actually has no mass. This would be some trick. I'm thinking an invisibility cloak might be step in right direction but only part of a complex recipe/formula. Einstein invested much energy into pondering of gravity.

FTL time travel via hyperdimensions and wormhole portals is a lot more feasible if we have light bodies with little or no mass. As I said before I have no scientific training but I do believe the - You Can't Go Faster Than Lightspeed - hypothesis only applies to objects possessing mass, correct? What if it is possible for a conscious being devoid of material body not to occupy even as much space as a photon, to emit less observable energy and to simultaneously be in more than one space/time at any recorded instant? In other words not subject to space/time continuum. Thus motion would not be limited by speed of light.

Status quo physicists poo on multiple dimension theories and FTL precisely bc they enable or accompany altered states of consciousness. It is quite possible to project one's consciousness at speeds which would destroy the physical body but have no deleterious affect on the mind. This is how other dimensions are accessed bypassing gravity.

I believe it would be impossible for ET civilizations to not exist and to not have achieved evolution far in advance of ours. Such advancement would probably indicate a skill or dexterity in achieving what corresponds to very intense Theta states as well as near light or FTL speeds for purposes of space exploration among other things. It seems the most advanced ETs would have developed navigational skills and maps of some of the dimensional realities about which we can only conjecture. They would access these dimensional states through their consciousness and/or with extraordinarily advanced technology utilizing what you described via FTL and wormhole portals.

This is why I asked you about Richard Hoagland and Iapetus. Iapetus appears to have unnatural features indicative of prior ET visitation. To the best of my recollection it was Richard Hoagland who stated that when you return from a higher dimension you possess an excess of energy. I believe this to be true. I'm quite sure that I and many other autistic people both HF and LF experience excessive states of energy. I think some stimming is due to an attempt to get rid of this excessive energy accumulated from one's consciousness being projected to higher dimensions. Thus stimming in the form of spinning and flapping and why you have recommended spinning to enter waking Theta states. Spinning is itself a portal into hyperdimensional states and serves as both step-up and step-down transformer from and into our 'normal everyday' consciousness. LF and HF auties have the same problem in that normal everyday consciousness isn't their first choice for where they spend their awareness/time. Thus the distinction between LF and HF is irrelevant to the main criteria which determines autism....unwillingness or inability to accommodate status quo states of awareness.

Still processing your ideas of basement universe and intelligent quanta but I have no doubt whatsoever that they are both intimately connected to brainwaves and altered states. You said this thread is about brainwaves and altered states.

No.

Moderators give more grace here, mostly due to the overwhelming excess of stupid things said.

Forum rules are also against multiple accounts...

I'm not excessive about being on topic, but it seems like it makes more sense to start topics where your head wanders.
Also, makes more sense to talk at my place than here, given the trolls.

You are what keeps me coming back to THIS forum at this point, but lets face it- its like you are the gem and
then theres the troll crap knee high.




Well, My path is that I'd like to base sci fi on rational science and sort of link the motivation to sci fi to the motivation
for real design.






Well, it impedes on the one hand but may allow on the other; if we can learn to manipulate it.


That and have troll minders spew troll s**t any time anybody gets off script of the sheeple flow.




Sure, especially if you put it in a subspace domain or a basement universe.




Sure, thats the nice thing about quantum information- no mass, no energy, nothing but the facts.
The standard models don't try to solve the problem by conversion tho, they take advantage of relativistic effects.
Which is to say that my version based on derivative factual science and theory allows normal mass and energy and handles this by saying that within the bubble, theres normal space time. Relative to space/time outside the bubble, you have converted everything to quantum information and hopped down an entanglement corridor.



No, it applies equally to all objects and energy, with or without mass.
Thats the hard part. The trick of it all is to find ways to turn something into pure information- relative to the normal universe- but have it stay what it is relative to itself.




Interesting thought experiment and the kind that opens me up to lots more heckling from trolls which is why we should have this conversation at my place, not here.

That said- oh well- Lets assume several things. First lets assume that consciousness is itself innately non local- ie that consciousness is quantum information to start with. This means it was never subject to the laws of mass or energy to begin with. Thus in a state of pure consciousness, theres no reason to limited to any velocity. This seems to be demonstrably true in terms of astral projection and etc.
(If you are the type that can do such things, then the experience of it is that you can move at nearly infinite velocity.)



Uhm- Many worlds theory is now status quo. The only real question between theories is how many extra dimensions there are. Some say there are a finite number and many models limit the number to the low dozens. I think you have noticed something real but you have reversed cause and effect. Theres no subliminal conspiracy, theres just the limitations of science until it can quit fighting with metaphysics. IE; science is limited by its own unwillingness to look
at "non material " phenomenon.




Yes.




I think its nearly impossible that there are not other civilizations as big as the universe is. I don't know but my own
calculation of the standard formula says maybe 40 life bearing planets in this galaxy. Theres a lot of dice to throw.
As far as civilizations more advanced than ours, lets just point out that its a long hard road to civilization or even consciousness, and that for every civilization that makes it to where we are now, probably a million life bearing planets don't get that far.

Its hard to know how an alien intelligence would use electricity in their brains, although the adam kadmon fractal suggests life might be a lot more like us than we would otherwise guess.

Assuming that within a trillion light years some civilization developed FTL 10 thousand years ago, we are still a needle in a haystack for them to find.



Okay, Lots of sci fi conjecture there, but, I follow your thought experiment.


I don't put any stock in new age versions of "higher dimensions." Actually, according to many worlds theory, the opposite is more likely to be true. Its likely that we inhabit the central phase of our local universe cluster and that the nearby phases are much weaker than ours is in terms of field strength; ie, the others are shadows or reflections or mirrors of ours. However, thats just one possibility. On the other hand there might be higher vibrational phase states local to our own. If so, how would we gather enough energy to increase upto that ? There lies the problem; its much easier to drop
energy than to gain it, esp when talking about dimensional potentiates. Gaining the energy potential for a fourth and fifth geometric dimension is pretty tuff.

But okay, sure, you find some way to get to a higher vibrational dimension, you come back, and you still have some
odd features in your quanta spin and phase and energy states. So you explode into fire, and decay into quanta.

What exactly did the new agers expect to happen?


Yes, but is that really hyperdimensional energy or energy from higher dimensions?
I'm not saying it isn't, but I'm not ready to say it is either. I don't know. Maybe.

Lets just hop over to tree of life and say the model describes the branes and higher vibrational phase states which occasionally come into phase as other "universes" above ours; aka the sefira. If you visit them as consciousness, you visit them as consciousness, you don't take your body with you anyhow. You can sure get a rush from increasing to those phase states and you can sure seem out of place if you are psychicly present with that rather than malkut.




Okay, for me stimming is a way to access higher dimensions, but I don't see them as geometric, which is i guess
where i feel we are falling off. Geometric dimensions are different than phase state dimensions. For gravity to allow
FTL we need geometric dimensions, phase state dimensions won't help us unless we are truly willing to leave our bodies behind.

I would be very careful personally about confusing or conflating geometric dimensions with phase state dimensions. They might seem a lot alike, but they are completely different phenomenon.




Sure, malkut- its boring. Might as well hang time in tiferet since i'm superman there.
And no, most people can't even imagine that sky exists.




whoa. Quanta aren't intelligent. At least i don't think that they are. When you get a googleplex of them together, they create a field that might be intelligent. I have experienced that it is consciousness. Intelligence is something more than consciousness. To be intelligent also requires thinking, and i don't know that theres thinking going on till I start that into motion. Every time i have ever talked with god, gods waking up from sleeping cause of me.
And gods really, really groggy, and just getting used to the idea of thinking at all.




Well its interesting that you drifted to FTL because space ships and such are certainly an interesting metaphor for consciousness.

I'd love to get deeper, again, it makes little sense to try to talk here when the trolls are as they are.

Very well. If we experience troll-disconnect I'll eventually find a way to use your forum. I do believe you have a 160 IQ and 180 isn't that much of a believability stretch. I also think you're good at organizing thought experiments into some useful form of problem solving. My usefulness to your think tank enterprise is in question. It's easy to ignore the trolls. It's not so easy for me to fit in at your forum but if necessary I'll find a way. Of course I understand your reticence for throwing pearls to the pigs since they will merely try to consume or otherwise destroy them.

What works to obtain altered states?

I live for the waking Theta condition. My life has been designed to allow for it, which hasn't been easy in that status quo prohibits it (well almost).

Buddhist practice of mindfulness helps in entering Theta.

As does remaining in the present moment (not that easy to do, requires commitment and discipline and most people don't even try to understand what 'remaining present' really means bc they have some flippant idea it isn't useful or they dismiss it as being not really possible....it is very possible but difficult...and if you don't even try to do it you'll never know). For anyone who really tries to do it, the key is in becoming clearly aware of the difference in being present and in not being present. Once you can tell when you're being present (all of us are present at least some of the time)..then...bingo.

Sitting or moving meditation
Meditation usually doesn't help much for engendering waking Theta. I've found moving meditation (like Tai Chi or Qi Gong) more helpful because physiologically and psychologically it is more able to deliver one to waking Theta when your body and mind is profoundly soothed.

Communing with nature is helpful to me.

I go to classes in my dreams and have done so all my life. My classes are primarily in spiritual design and engineering. They require indepth hard physical science but the teachers are inspired and more effective at teaching to autistics than our status quo science is. I wake up with a full brain that would easily fill 5 spiral notebooks but when I start writing down the information my brain quickly empties and nothing much remains for me to grab onto. i.e, I don't recall the specifics. But I definitely remember the experience of learning various techniques of spiritual engineering and it's awesome. Needless to say I'm motivated to return again and again to these classes. Status quo engineering capacity is in my DNA; my aspieism tweeked that capicity into the spirital version of engineering (which is only in my dreams until you came along).

Trance vs non-trance
I find it easier to go into trance than to function within status quo awareness. But my brand of spiritual path doesn't encourage trance states bc they are viewed as a distraction in the same way siddhis are viewed as a distraction. As a result I've aimed to try non-trance methods of achieving waking theta state and been successful. Having tried both trance and non-trance methods I tend to prefer the latter.
Using trance states for waking Theta condition for the ultimate purpose of problem solving is like trying to drive without using the steering wheel. It can be done safely only if you go slowly. From personal experience I have concluded that when bending the laws of physics it's better to have a firm grip on that steering wheel. And I've reason to assume I've been capable of going fast, very fast....but only in my dreams.