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12 Dec 2005, 10:05 am

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That was sort of my point. The 9/11 incident didn't make much of a dent on us. How much revenge is enough? Wreck an entire country and tens of thousands of theirs in revenge for five thousand of ours plus one horrendous clean-up job? Do we actually look good whining like babies about how badly they hurt us? When we give them even more power over us than they tried to take, like here, you broke a pinky nail, let's give you the entire arm? Does it look good to abandon all critical thinking and common sense to a portion of our population that has always been overbearing and mindlessly violent? We haven't made the world safer. We have converted many thousands who had no grudge against the U.S. into people who have a blood debt to pay. Many thousands who could have been won to our side have been turned over to the more extremist and violent side of the Moslem world. We've even managed to get rid of a government that was primarily Sunni and forcibly made it into a Shiite government, the kind of Moslem nature that uses torture and murder as government and religious policy. Saddam was better than they are going to be and we are going to have much more trouble from them than we had from Saddam. Good going! Let's use 9/11 as an excuse to make the world a much more horrible, damaged place with many more people in it who want to destroy the U.S.!


Like a bully in the school yard, they hit us when we weren't looking. And like a bully in the school yard, they will continue to sneak attack unless someone stands up to them. But unlike the school yard, we dont have the luxary of a principal to go tell on them to. We are the biggest kids in the playground, and if we dont stand up, who will?
What would have been the better choice of action? Take it? Let it happen again?



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12 Dec 2005, 10:24 am

We hit a bully who didn't hit us. We destroyed a lot more of their country than bin Laden did ours. The actual sponsors of 9/11 got a free pass, and I do mean the Saudis. We spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make a stretch of sound only slightly more worthless than it was before.

I'm beginning to get the impression that the term "bad investment" is meaningless to our leaders.



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12 Dec 2005, 1:47 pm

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We hit a bully who didn't hit us. We destroyed a lot more of their country than bin Laden did ours. The actual sponsors of 9/11 got a free pass, and I do mean the Saudis. We spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make a stretch of sound only slightly more worthless than it was before.

I'm beginning to get the impression that the term "bad investment" is meaningless to our leaders.


IRAQ was also a sponsor, as well as a perpretrator on their own people..... But as for the Saudis.... well the government as a whole wasnt the problem there, it was some of the richest people that funded the terrorists as citizens! Oh but some of that money moved through IRAQ as some of the training took place there.... Its all jumbled up.... But atleast now its alittle more difficult to launder money through a us bank account.... Thanks to the Patriot Act....



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13 Dec 2005, 1:17 am

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Remnant wrote:
We hit a bully who didn't hit us. We destroyed a lot more of their country than bin Laden did ours. The actual sponsors of 9/11 got a free pass, and I do mean the Saudis. We spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make a stretch of sound only slightly more worthless than it was before.

I'm beginning to get the impression that the term "bad investment" is meaningless to our leaders.


IRAQ was also a sponsor, as well as a perpretrator on their own people..... But as for the Saudis.... well the government as a whole wasnt the problem there, it was some of the richest people that funded the terrorists as citizens! Oh but some of that money moved through IRAQ as some of the training took place there.... Its all jumbled up.... But atleast now its alittle more difficult to launder money through a us bank account.... Thanks to the Patriot Act....


I find it hard to believe that my medical information being sold to whoever wants it is vital to US's National Security. I doubt anyone would like the Patriot Act being used as grounds to having access to any personal information. My life is none of your business! :x


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13 Dec 2005, 2:51 am

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We hit a bully who didn't hit us. We destroyed a lot more of their country than bin Laden did ours. The actual sponsors of 9/11 got a free pass, and I do mean the Saudis. We spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make a stretch of sound only slightly more worthless than it was before.

I'm beginning to get the impression that the term "bad investment" is meaningless to our leaders.


IRAQ was also a sponsor, as well as a perpretrator on their own people..... But as for the Saudis.... well the government as a whole wasnt the problem there, it was some of the richest people that funded the terrorists as citizens! Oh but some of that money moved through IRAQ as some of the training took place there.... Its all jumbled up.... But atleast now its alittle more difficult to launder money through a us bank account.... Thanks to the Patriot Act....


You know what, even if Iraq did help sponsor 9/11, which I don't believe, it wasn't worth it. Various companies used the war as a license to steal and we need the money to build a real military. We accomplished nothing except to make the Middle East more dangerous.



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13 Dec 2005, 7:36 am

the patriot act dosesnt cover medical records... It DOES cover bank accounts, at great length I might add. there are over 137 pages in the Patriot act, and after reading it, ALL of it, I found nothing that would make me all that upset as a private citizen that obeys the law. now if I were a bad-guy or at least evading taxes, well, I might be worried.

As far as Iraq and our troops go, a larger military would be a wonderful tradeoff for not having gone over there, but at the rate bases are being closed.... that is unlikely to happen.

One thing the patirot act did make possible, now that I think of it, is federal money for fire and police training and equiptment. that was a good thing. (yes I know that there are some cases of abuse, but thats not the norm) But there is a downside to the Fedral emergency assistance agreements that are now signed by the states, and the local FDs, PDs, Special teams, etc have to adhear to the states response policies as well. Most of us in the fire service, anyhow, dont mind going to the next county, even the next state to help in a disaster.... but those agreements can allow the feds to basicaly "draft" us into service if the need arises.... I DONT care for that.
The best example is the small pox vaccinations. Those of us in the "first responder" arena (police, rescue, fire, EMS) were offered the vaccinations if we had not had them, and could take them. No cost, well the not in money.... The catch was that in the event of a small pox outbreak, the govt could come swooping in and take us to the affected area to deal with the situation. (I didnt get the shot because my mother had just had cancer surgery, and her DR recomended that I not take the chance of the vaccination area 'weeping" and causeing her problems as a result.) I know that the feds value the military over the local responders. We ALL know it. Local juristictions are expendiable. Because of that new and I have to admit frightening mindset, our military wont be growing anytime soon.....



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13 Dec 2005, 12:08 pm

Then in what regards can my Provincial government sell confidential medical information to the US?

This just gets deeper and deeper.


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13 Dec 2005, 1:47 pm

im not sure what the laws in Canada are in reference to medical information. If it is being sold that transaction would fall under Canada's laws as the medical records are under the juristiction of the place they are held.

can you be more specific in refrence to this? Im not familiar with US companies buying Canadian citizens med records.... That, if as I understand it to be, is alarming.



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14 Dec 2005, 1:36 pm

Health is under Provincial Jurisdiction. I think it is also a shared cost program which means that both the Federal Government and Provincial Government pay 50% of the cost. For BC the Federal Government pays 15% but that is another story.

The provincial government of BC (which I never liked anyway), did sell confidential information to some US Insurence companies and blamed it on the Patriot Act. I disliked the selling of it no matter what the causes were and now that I find out that they didn't have to makes this into quite a large conspiracy. However, the health minister did resign for "undisclosed reasons," 3 years ago so this is old news.

It is a crime to release confidential information.
But Laws never stop politicians in the first place.


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16 Dec 2005, 1:44 pm

WOW! sold the info? That is no good. the partior act, as far as I could tell from reading it, doesnt cover that at all.... Still, medical info should never be sold or given out with out concent.... was anything done about this? 8O