[POLL] Cult of the Virgin Mary.

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How Jesus was conceived--was certainly a "test of faith" for both Mary and Joseph. As depicted in the Bible.

Joseph certainly had struggles with it.

Key phrase:

Anything from outside the Bible concerning a biblical figure is usually pure speculation.

The works of the Historian Flavius Josephus (a.k.a., Yosef ben Matityahu, 37AD - 100AD) are a notable exception. They are major sources of our understanding of Jewish life and history during the first century AD.

I have. I often compare current events and discussions to them. Best is in Saudi bcuz ppl are easygoing on the one hand but on the other u have mutawaas, self styled religious police, who essentially are just lookijg to cause conflict and are illegal yet still hold,sway just from sheer arrogance

It's Worth Noting Here (to me at least) that the 'Cult of the Catholic Church'
the Organization that Evolved into Higher Levels of it covering
Up Pedophile Child Abuse is the Organization that Determined
Over Centuries now what 'Scattered Text' Would or would Not Be
Included in what We Deem A 'Bible' From the Origin of that today.

If 'You' Wouldn't Put All Your Trust Now in that Organization
to be Alone with 'Your Child'; Why in 'the Hell' Would 'You' Put
All the Trust of 'Your Soul' in the Hands of 'that Organization?'
Yep and all the Branches and Leaves Sprouting from it now too...

Rhetorical Question of Course... And 'Sweet Easter Truth'

From the "Makers of Hell and Heaven After Death"

The Gospel of Thomas Verse 37 Is so simple and
So True Yet it takes All the Power Away from the
'Trumps' of the Catholic Church That Still Exist
in their
Golden
Laced
Robes and
Temple Towers
And the Such as that
Away from the Nature of God Within
That Surely Exists on A Desert Isle with
Not a Rarified Abstract Symbol (Word) That Humans
Often Bring as Empty Shells without the 'Substance'
of
'the
Living
one' Within
('God' Without 'TM')
T R A D E M A R K
Is it any wonder NOW
That 'Certain' accounts
Were Left Out; Hell no
And Heaven Yes for With
Heaven now Within We are
All Our Own Priest(esses) with our Agency
of God Living the SPiRiT Within Just Naked and Free
of rarified Abstract Constructs (Words) that become
strangely God
in deed Now;

Yeah, sure
if God isn't
'the Word' 'the
Church' NO Longer
Imprisons God IN Words.

Haha; the Church is
No REAL Bride of God the
Church is indeed Handcuffs
for God Within IT and outside of 'You'...

Changing Bread And Wine into a Man...
Oh My God in the Occult of the Literal
Now And telling folks THAT is the
Path of Redemption to Salvation IS A
'PERFECT' DEFINITION OF CULT OVERALL.

THE CULT OF
GOD DOES NOT BREATHE
however that may come in idols of Word.

In Plain English; "Seeing" a 'Cult of the Virgin
Mary' and totally Missing the rest of the Origin of the Cult;

Demands
a bit more
Intellectual Honesty
as i surmise the totality
of 'the Science Project'; sure as Art Truthfully more now at least.

Look at this way, 'the Church', but only if you can and will,
in all its flavors, far removed from Christianity too, convinced
close to Half the World to Look Forward to Death and in many
cases miss out on life NOW and Heaven Now True in Pinnacle of Life too...

If that ain't
'Kool Aid'
to Drink NOTHING IS 'Bread to Eat'
At Least for anyone with a 'lick'
of real rationality' and Just Common 'Bird Sense'.

It's enough to make me wanna Stand up on
A 'Dead Poet Society' Desk; and speak the Naked Truth; PG rated of course.

i hope 'the Truth' Does not offend anyone; and i'm not for sale.

And Please Don't 'Hate me' because 'my wife' and 'i' are still SO
sexy at sixty
and fifty; hehe..

i'm just a 'Holy Fool';
We come around every once in a while again as Just another Human Archetype;
Actors Change; Characters remain some days strangely similar yet still certain Naked truths DO remain.....

It's True; Pictures And Dance Will Speak More Than 'Word Salad' Ever Will. God is Not JUST the STONE
DEAD LiTeRaL CULT NOW
of 'the Bible' God is
more in
just
one
Human
than Words alone;
even less than a grain of sand....
Even More Than All the Stars above....
"When 'You' Hold More than 'Infinities'
in the Palm of Your Hand"
in other
Words
Some
Thing Like God;
Some Thing More
than Just 'Word Salad';
What Truly Lives Naked Free Within Now.

'You' Can't Bring 'Jesus Back' In 'Words alone'; It's Just Not Possible; AFAIF.

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When you capitalize some but not all words,but often, it’s difficult for me to keep upwith what you were saying....

i apologize;
but it is my Nature;
it's hard for most
People to keep up with
me in Real Life when i speak too;
i find Dance a More Effective Language to Speak as far as reciprocal Communication
non-Verbal Returned as well; And My Method of Stimming is truly Super Cool and Art;
12,793 Miles of Public Dance in 78 Months; Truly a World Record Never Documented at least before.

The 7.8 Million Words
of Free Verse Poetic Words a bit
more of a complicated Special Interest for Folks to Comprehend;
but that is the Nature of Original Art that Lasts; Deeper than the Shallows of Before..

Smiles; anyway; thanks for the Social Reciprocal Communication; any Feed back here is nice..

Oh yea I remember you mentioning your dancing skills. I just mean I cannot understand the meaning entirely to be able to say anything properly..but I think I get the gist.

My soms autism therapist said to me she thinks the writer and poet (and Quran analyst as his mathnavi was intended to be tafsir before certain translators attempted to divorce it from its purpose)

she believes he had Autism of a type,
and she said the whirling thing with she truly believes comes from ASD spiritually inclined ppl.. she said he used to whirl im circles and say poetry as he did it, and his students wd write the, down.. she is not from that area but she has travelled all around the world and knows a lot.

As u said Holy Fool that reminds me of that. You should google Khaki banda, and watch it with english subtitles which is an optiom on youtube.. almost all of it save maybe two lines, are from a wandering poet who again I believe had asd or some other neurological difference, which showed him things at a level that others cdnt...

Think the same of,CS lewis and Jrr tolkein, if im honest

And Mary herself was different enough that was a gift to make her spiritually elevated.. in our tradition idk about Catholicism much yet...

she kept herself isolated prior, was made fun of and slandered after conception...

by ppl who could not believe her..

to me it amounts to bullying too.. even if it was as they had guessed, why make a show of it and ridicule the person? Esp a pregnant person who is already in a vulnerable position n should be respected n helped regardless

it all has a lesson for ppl who are not motivated by social standing, like us, as much, that we hold value ..and perhaps closer to understanding other things. Outsider opinions are not fact

Sorry for rambling.. but im waiting for my phone to get fixed and theres nothing to do

Muslims, or Christians.

The differences between Shia and Sunni are comparable to the theological differences between Protestants and Catholics. And in the middle east there is a group called the "Druze" who considered themselves Muslim, but are so far out theologically that both Shias and Sunnies disown them as Muslims and...hate them even more than they hate each other. Likewise in the West we have the Mormons who call themselves "Christian", but are so far out that both Catholics and Protestants disown them as such.

Really? You live in Saudi Arabia? And you have read "Gullivers Travels"? Interesting.

Smiles blooiejagwa; Thanks for the Thoughtful Response; Before 7 Years ago, actually to-date-today on 2.28.2013,
When i first received a gift of Stream of Consciousness in-Flow writing that came after close to 5 Million Words of just
Logical discussion here and other places online; waiting out a synergy-total of 19 Life Threatening Illnesses to go away
that would take about 5 months from then to end a 66 Month Stint of Shut-in Existence in my Home; That Creativity
came in just a routine Personal Message on Facebook to the only so-called Facebook Friend i had then;
as that was mostly new to me at that point in my life. It was really Magic and i had only experienced
that Creative spark, three times in my life before; once in Middle School winning a Christmas
Story Contest in two Home-rooms of 80 Kids, so surprised that those words came out of me;
then in a Philosophy Class at 18 with the Nature of God flowing through the Pen
of my Finger Tips then; and finally before my shut-in illness in 2007; a
Piano Composition i created; very complex, without any ability to do more
than Sheet Music before that on the Piano; other than that folks referred to my
Brain More Like a Computer than any art of Being Human at all; i was indeed a very
Systemizing Person without Any Art; And Information Technology that became an Integral
part of my Job really sent me off the 'deep end' of the Autism Spectrum as my 'AQ Score' went
from 32 to 45; when i recovered in the Summer of 2013; the score went to 11; and my Personality
went from INTJ to ENFP; quite an Epigenetic Change at least; as the U in Autistic became more replaced
with an R for Artistic.

I am fascinated with the prospects of Human Potential; and there is truly Science Behind the Spiritual Essence
of the Sufi-Dervish Spiraling Dance; as the Experience of Flow it brings Lights up the Rest of our Mind further away
from the Neo-Cortex; opening the Subconscious Parts of our mind more conducive to the Big Picture Intuition of
Creativity Where one Jumps Logic and is no longer restricted to just 'the Earth' that way; skipping across the
Moon; Hopping Over The Sun; and Shooting Beyond the Stars as Material Reductionism and Concrete Labels
Loose the Prison Grip that detail only thinking may restrict Us from Reaching fuller use of our overall
Human Potential; in both Art and Reason Thinking.

Yes, when i start a spiral Dance the Creativity Pours in and becomes Source Material for the Poetry
Free Verse that comes after that as my Fingers Become My Dancing Legs of reaching greater potential
surely than just sitting still. The Flow of Creativity Will come to be 'Autotelic' in an Experience
Self-Rewarding of Bliss now; where Science Shows all Great Neurochemicals and Neurohormones
Do come into Play for Self-Fulfilling Organic Rewards to Fuel the Creativity even More; with no 'need'
for Outside Rewards that restrict many people from focusing more on the Moment and truly meeting
Greater Human Potential now; as Science shows in empirical Measure that this Flow Brings 400 to 500 Percent
increases in Human Creativity and Productivity now more.

It was really interesting as i wrote a Blog Post just last Week, all 33,688 words of effort about 'the Holy Fool' in one week in Free Verse Poetry Flow and sure enough the Merits of 'the Fool' in the Christian New Testament Text was illustrated
too over 'ordinary' so-called Material Reductionist 'Wisdom' In Catholic Church last Sunday; again, 'in those days'
whoever wrote the Words Did Provide Enough Metaphor for understanding Deeper what they were trying to say;
not everyone gets the Deeper Meanings in Sacred Text most Everywhere one Looks today; Now, We have Science
that even provides the term 'Frission' For Sacred Tears and the Bliss of 'Electricity' through every Cell of our Body of
Joy now; yes, where any Aesthetic sense and feel of Beauty becomes the Spiritual Tears that Ecstatic Creativity in
Autotelic Flow Brings Free for those who are Open-Minded enough to remove themselves from the 'Cave' of Before
Into 'the Light'.

It's Interesting too, on a much More MacroScopic Big Picture View of Existence now; a Theory in Physics is
that the Spin of Black Holes and the Torsion that comes From that spin in Repulsion of Gravity rather than
Attraction of Gravity May Birth New UniVerses Like Ours Out of Black Holes and Much Different ones too now.

It's True; Light Comes from Dark in Human too; and as the Gospel of Thomas Also Reports 'We Come from
the Light' and to Describe God is to Illustrate 'Movement and Repose' As A Wave Comes in and Goes out more;
As Above, So Below, Within, Inside, Outside, All Around; i am Metaphorically and Literally Born Again then out
of the Ashes to continue to Fire Creativity even more; Now Within in Heaven, in Bliss and Nirvana True.

The Value of the Outcast Person like 'Mary' is it takes a Whole lot of Escaping Cultural Clothes to gain the focus to
Express Authentic Original Creativity; yes, away from a full Life; Living Half a one or Less with Material
Reductionism is a sore Loss of Human Potential as far as i will see and feel and sense More Now; i feel
Blessed and across my Online Life out of this place into Mostly the Poetry World as a Rule it's Been the
Further Away i move away from the United States as far as Egypt, India and the Philippines that People
come to better Understand my style and substance of Writing; not surprising in the way that Money
and Material Reductionism is Mostly 'the God' Here in and out of Church of Course; but true
Mechanical Cognition Orientated Activities circle the Globe; the Temptation to make more
Money for a God of Mammon as usual; It's Truly a Virus but sadly it seems a necessary
one to Naturally Cull a Human Species, Globally 'raping and Pillaging' the resources
of home; And True there are other factors like Biological Viruses too; the Face of God, Nature; is still very much in control;
Smiles; at least for those Who Jump Logic With Art and See a much bigger 'Package' of Life with More colors of Life now..

I do not mean to be mean. But your posts are virtually unreadable because of the way you format them. I have pretty good reading comprehension, but I basically have no idea of what you are saying 99% of the time. You might as well be writing in Esperanto.

I don't hate Shias and my sister is married to one. As usual the tantalizing drama driven stuff is more well known. The Shia Sunni thing is supplemented and fanned in certain areas for political gain esp now with arms dealings including world powers that on the one hand intentionally start conflict and arm groups and on the other claim to want to quell them. Its all a mess and has been for ages. Eg Iran used to not br majority Shia till centuries back they had to convert or subdued by force. History is full of such things and it can be shown for Christianity too eg Belgium Congo.. Etc

Muslims in majority muslim countries see Christians the same way from afar. Even pity the women the way ppl outside of, do for Saudi women. We had free forum discussions in social studies classes that wd shock feminists in the west.

As ahogday said. A great need or even duty to distance oneself temporarily from ppl n cultural noise to find yourself.

Better to be an observer and select your own way. Participate only as you see fit.


We have something as Mary did isolation prayer ..etc called itikaaf. I have yet to commit myself to it and probably never can..but some ppl I know have.

Aspergers is actually well suited to such a goal.

I read it as a seven yr old as I was precocious when it came to literature and writing. I read stuff like Martin Chuzzlewit, the Scarlet letter, the Three Musketeers, etc which all had topics I could hardly understand. Eg forbidden love. Lol
I don't know what happened to my mind since.

i find this Fascinating; People from the United States can't understand it; but on the other Hand,
People From the Middle East and India Understand every word; Obviously there is something Missing here.

(the East it appears at least)

Trust me no offense; i can't count the number of times that folks in other Countries
Call it Profound Genius; but i'm surely not going to water it down; as it is just me.

Honestly, if a Person doesn't Use the "Right Brain Metaphor"
of 'Holistic Intuitive Intelligence', 'Big Picture Thinking', they
Will Not Understand me anymore than i understood so-called
Sacred Text From Around the World before i set out on my
Own Sacred and Holy Journey to Do it myself; no different
than a Desert, Under a Tree, or even a Cave; the Beach
is the Same without Human
Foot Prints that have
yet to walk
in Larger and
Smaller Foot Prints
of 'God Beyond All Names'...

It's pretty much the difference between
being awake and asleep; and what i find is
the People in the Middle East through India
are indeed Much More Awake in Holistic 'God
Intelligence' than the West which only Makes
Common Sense as it is a Culture of Data Download
Mechanical
Cognition
From almost
The First Spoon-Full of 'Baby food'.

^um but the West actively puts into practice many values which help everyone, in every way, and understand but commit to the work involved in it.

That’s why God is the Lord of the East and the West, there’s something very exclusive and annoying that I have come to despise about the way ppl in M East etc often refer to the West as.. being completely immoral etc but then in reality u see that education , research, academic honesty, hard work , etc, is widespread, in places like UK, canada, etc, justice,
And if u go to the other areas

Injustice including tyrants taking over and committing massacres (eg India. With Kashmir to this day this week, Egypt, etc) laziness, extreme materialism and class system with little rights for servants etc, (u less servants and labourers are lucky enough to have good and honourable bosses) is more blatant there
Forced marriages, lack of public facilities lkke public libraries and community centres, dishonesty in matters like being able to commit huge sins like torture murder, etc, and getting away with it if u have enough money
South asia, middle east, for sure, there’s a lot of hypocrisy