08 Mar 2022, 7:17 pm
08 Mar 2022, 7:21 pm
kraftiekortie wrote:
Russia was progressing before Putin just blew it all!
Just like Zimbabwe was thriving in a relative sense before Mugabe ruined it.
Just like Zimbabwe was thriving in a relative sense before Mugabe ruined it.
Hitler would be pleased.
09 Mar 2022, 2:37 am
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09 Mar 2022, 2:54 am
09 Mar 2022, 3:01 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Russia had not moved on Ukraine during the Trump years because Trump had promised Putin he would pull America out of NATO in his second term. Meaning, without American leadership, there would be no opposition to Russian expansionism. Well, Trump lost the election, and so no American withdrawal from NATO. Putin, having his forces at the ready, went for the invasion anyhow.
So, Putin's reason for invading Ukraine during the Trump administration had nothing to do with any fear of Trump. If anything, Trump was sympathetic with Putin, as he had always favored dictators over democracy.
So, Putin's reason for invading Ukraine during the Trump administration had nothing to do with any fear of Trump. If anything, Trump was sympathetic with Putin, as he had always favored dictators over democracy.
I've asked you for evidence before.
If you, or anyone, can't supply this, your credibility coinage will suffer.
As I recall, I reported John Bolton had made that assertion:
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... -rcna19045
That isn't evidence.
It is speculation.
Also, Trump would be pressuring NATO to pull its weight.
Threatening NATO that the US would leave is like pootin threatening to use nuclear weapons.
No evidence, no validation.
The fact remains, he didn't pull out of NATO, and that's the fact, Jack.
I don't think you have a good handle on politics?
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09 Mar 2022, 3:13 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Russia had not moved on Ukraine during the Trump years because Trump had promised Putin he would pull America out of NATO in his second term. Meaning, without American leadership, there would be no opposition to Russian expansionism. Well, Trump lost the election, and so no American withdrawal from NATO. Putin, having his forces at the ready, went for the invasion anyhow.
So, Putin's reason for invading Ukraine during the Trump administration had nothing to do with any fear of Trump. If anything, Trump was sympathetic with Putin, as he had always favored dictators over democracy.
So, Putin's reason for invading Ukraine during the Trump administration had nothing to do with any fear of Trump. If anything, Trump was sympathetic with Putin, as he had always favored dictators over democracy.
I've asked you for evidence before.
If you, or anyone, can't supply this, your credibility coinage will suffer.
As I recall, I reported John Bolton had made that assertion:
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... -rcna19045
That isn't evidence.
It is speculation.
Also, Trump would be pressuring NATO to pull its weight.
Threatening NATO that the US would leave is like pootin threatening to use nuclear weapons.
No evidence, no validation.
The fact remains, he didn't pull out of NATO, and that's the fact, Jack.
I don't think you have a good handle on politics?
I do have a good handle on politics. While more often than not, I disliked John Bolton, but I always recognized him as an honest, truthful man. He was in a perfect position to observe Trump's actual reasons for wanting to pull out of NATO.
Trump's claim that he had only wanted to make Europe pay their fair share was nothing but a pretext to withdraw American membership. His hostility to our allies, while sucking up to Putin, should raise even your eyebrows.
09 Mar 2022, 2:22 pm
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09 Mar 2022, 6:47 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Russia had not moved on Ukraine during the Trump years because Trump had promised Putin he would pull America out of NATO in his second term. Meaning, without American leadership, there would be no opposition to Russian expansionism. Well, Trump lost the election, and so no American withdrawal from NATO. Putin, having his forces at the ready, went for the invasion anyhow.
So, Putin's reason for invading Ukraine during the Trump administration had nothing to do with any fear of Trump. If anything, Trump was sympathetic with Putin, as he had always favored dictators over democracy.
So, Putin's reason for invading Ukraine during the Trump administration had nothing to do with any fear of Trump. If anything, Trump was sympathetic with Putin, as he had always favored dictators over democracy.
I've asked you for evidence before.
If you, or anyone, can't supply this, your credibility coinage will suffer.
As I recall, I reported John Bolton had made that assertion:
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... -rcna19045
That isn't evidence.
It is speculation.
Also, Trump would be pressuring NATO to pull its weight.
Threatening NATO that the US would leave is like pootin threatening to use nuclear weapons.
No evidence, no validation.
The fact remains, he didn't pull out of NATO, and that's the fact, Jack.
I don't think you have a good handle on politics?
I do have a good handle on politics. While more often than not, I disliked John Bolton, but I always recognized him as an honest, truthful man. He was in a perfect position to observe Trump's actual reasons for wanting to pull out of NATO.
Trump's claim that he had only wanted to make Europe pay their fair share was nothing but a pretext to withdraw American membership. His hostility to our allies, while sucking up to Putin, should raise even your eyebrows.
It didn't happen.
End of conversation.
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09 Mar 2022, 7:21 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Russia had not moved on Ukraine during the Trump years because Trump had promised Putin he would pull America out of NATO in his second term. Meaning, without American leadership, there would be no opposition to Russian expansionism. Well, Trump lost the election, and so no American withdrawal from NATO. Putin, having his forces at the ready, went for the invasion anyhow.
So, Putin's reason for invading Ukraine during the Trump administration had nothing to do with any fear of Trump. If anything, Trump was sympathetic with Putin, as he had always favored dictators over democracy.
So, Putin's reason for invading Ukraine during the Trump administration had nothing to do with any fear of Trump. If anything, Trump was sympathetic with Putin, as he had always favored dictators over democracy.
I've asked you for evidence before.
If you, or anyone, can't supply this, your credibility coinage will suffer.
As I recall, I reported John Bolton had made that assertion:
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... -rcna19045
That isn't evidence.
It is speculation.
Also, Trump would be pressuring NATO to pull its weight.
Threatening NATO that the US would leave is like pootin threatening to use nuclear weapons.
No evidence, no validation.
The fact remains, he didn't pull out of NATO, and that's the fact, Jack.
I don't think you have a good handle on politics?
I do have a good handle on politics. While more often than not, I disliked John Bolton, but I always recognized him as an honest, truthful man. He was in a perfect position to observe Trump's actual reasons for wanting to pull out of NATO.
Trump's claim that he had only wanted to make Europe pay their fair share was nothing but a pretext to withdraw American membership. His hostility to our allies, while sucking up to Putin, should raise even your eyebrows.
It didn't happen.
End of conversation.
It would have happened had Trump won a second term. That's why Putin had waited to invade Ukraine, expecting another Trump victory. As it's the reason why Putin is invading Ukraine now, it certainly matters.
Again, John Bolton, I believe, is a reliable source.
Again, doesn't Trump's subservient relations with Putin make you wonder?
09 Mar 2022, 7:37 pm
