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21 Jun 2023, 6:34 pm

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The countries that are currently "communist" are TRYING TO GET THERE, BUT... they have to deal with the REST OF THE ENTIRE PLANET being capitalist, with ALL THE PSYCHOPATHS wavering their hand over the BIG RED BUTTON to keep those countries "in order", so OF COURSE they need to be "authoritarian" in a way. Then, think about how DEEPLY rutted religion is in most the capitalistic countries, which is used to DIVIDE THE MASSES by the ghouls who hold all the power in this hellscape. As it is also WELL KNOWN that many of the "eastern" religions are used by the west to create "color revolutions" in those states. Oh, did I say state? States are needed. See how well the anarchist movement can get things done? Yeah, that's right. Not very well at all. (anarchism and communism are the same, only the path to how to establish either differ... I say this to show why the "communist" countries always take the socialism path.)

IOW, capitalism is the problem, mostly, and things will never truly move forward for THE ENTIRE PLANET until it is reigned in. People have been trying to do that for more than a hundred years now. And now it's GLARINGLY CLEAR we've run out of time for MANY THINGS SOLELY BECAUSE of this idiotic system that refuses to die.
Did you know that you could also VARY the COLORS of your words to make your posts even more visually annoying?

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21 Jun 2023, 10:16 pm

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Bud Light politicized trans issues by putting Mulvaney on their cans.


...Your response to seeing a trans person is to say "grr political! Boycott!" - you couldn't really get a more clear-cut example of transphobia short of physical violence. And... like... you've been a member here for 15 years...If I search the posts you have made for "trans" then it is constant transphobia. I've been here long enough to remember when you were posting the same things about gay people...



This would seem to fit the definition of an intense interest.

https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-gu ... -audiences

A bit like David Duke, who, if you've ever listened to him, seems to know more about Judaism than most Jews do, and who is obsessively anti-Jewish.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__qp5_x ... rRosenberg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W09DQqmW-wk


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22 Jun 2023, 6:22 am

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The countries that are currently "communist" are TRYING TO GET THERE, BUT... they have to deal with the REST OF THE ENTIRE PLANET being capitalist, with ALL THE PSYCHOPATHS wavering their hand over the BIG RED BUTTON to keep those countries "in order", so OF COURSE they need to be "authoritarian" in a way. Then, think about how DEEPLY rutted religion is in most the capitalistic countries, which is used to DIVIDE THE MASSES by the ghouls who hold all the power in this hellscape. As it is also WELL KNOWN that many of the "eastern" religions are used by the west to create "color revolutions" in those states. Oh, did I say state? States are needed. See how well the anarchist movement can get things done? Yeah, that's right. Not very well at all. (anarchism and communism are the same, only the path to how to establish either differ... I say this to show why the "communist" countries always take the socialism path.)

IOW, capitalism is the problem, mostly, and things will never truly move forward for THE ENTIRE PLANET until it is reigned in. People have been trying to do that for more than a hundred years now. And now it's GLARINGLY CLEAR we've run out of time for MANY THINGS SOLELY BECAUSE of this idiotic system that refuses to die.


Huh?



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26 Jun 2023, 6:39 pm

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My dictionary defines communism as a theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.

Will the collectively owned property (such as farmland and factories) be controlled by the government? If it is, that effectively makes it the government's property rather than the people's property.


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26 Jun 2023, 6:41 pm

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Why is it that some people's mere existence gets declared 'political' by reactionary types?

Did trans people politise themselves by existing? Tune in to Fox News to find out :lol:


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27 Jun 2023, 12:24 am

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My dictionary defines communism as a theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
Will the collectively owned property (such as farmland and factories) be controlled by the government? If it is, that effectively makes it the government's property rather than the people's property.
Read The Dispossessed, by Ursula K. LeGuin.  It features an entire world run by anarcho-syndicalists.  The only centralized "government" is a job-placement system.  There is no currency, and the old "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need" ethic is in full practice.

So far, Ms. LeGuin's description is the best I have read regarding a fully Communist state.

It is also entirely fictional.


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27 Jun 2023, 2:35 am

Yeah, READ...
STUDY.
LEARN.
THINK.
ACT.

Don't just go "Huh?" :shrug:
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27 Jun 2023, 4:26 am

It's generally important to realise that people who think differently to you aren't necessarily stupid or uneducated.

For example, the time one person spends reading about nineteenth century Marxist theory is time that another person spends learning about psychopharmacology, French literature, liberal theory, 20th century history, particle physics, the glandular systems of a sturgeon, economics, and so forth. Ignorance and narrow-mindedness certainly exist, but they aren't the reason people disagree with you - especially if you're pushing a fringe point-of-view that most experts disagree with.

Saying "educate yourself" is not helpful and alienates people from your point of view.



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27 Jun 2023, 5:32 pm

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Saying "educate yourself" is not helpful and alienates people from your point of view.

You mean I can't just say "educate yourself" until the other person agrees with me?

You mean I can't just read this book that agrees with me and expect them to not only read it but read it uncritically and believe every word it says without a trace of skepticism?

No insult to Fnord. That actually sounds like a pretty interesting book and later today I'm going to see if they sell it in Audible.

I've just had some bad experiences with other people, when they say something I don't believe them, they say "educate yourself and read this book or read this webpage" and then the webpage turns out to be someone else saying the exact same thing they just said. Then I say to them, "If I didn't believe that claim when you said it, why do you expect me to believe that claim when another dude says it?"


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27 Jun 2023, 5:41 pm

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Saying "educate yourself" is not helpful and alienates people from your point of view.
You mean I can't just say "educate yourself" until the other person agrees with me?
That seems to be what he means.  Saying "Educate yourself" is to speak a vague and nebulous statement.  You may as well tell a person only to "Do something" instead.

How about offering some material by which a person might "educate" themselves?  Something relevant . . . something that is not some YouTube video produced by a paranoid conspiracist or brainwashed propagandist.  Something valid and useful, like a university textbook, perhaps.


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28 Jun 2023, 3:47 am

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Saying "educate yourself" is not helpful and alienates people from your point of view.
You mean I can't just say "educate yourself" until the other person agrees with me?
That seems to be what he means.  Saying "Educate yourself" is to speak a vague and nebulous statement.  You may as well tell a person only to "Do something" instead.

How about offering some material by which a person might "educate" themselves?  Something relevant . . . something that is not some YouTube video produced by a paranoid conspiracist or brainwashed propagandist.  Something valid and useful, like a university textbook, perhaps.

Offering material is an improvement but my point still applies. Allow me to repeat myself.

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You mean I can't just read this book that agrees with me and expect them to not only read it but read it uncritically and believe every word it says without a trace of skepticism?


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28 Jun 2023, 6:56 am

To be fair I don't think Fnord was actually saying "if you read The Dispossessed then you'll definitely become a communist". He does, after all, acknowledge that it is a work of fiction, which seems to be an invitation to approach it critically. He seemed to be recommending it as a way that someone who was so interested could gain insight into the differences between the Marxist-Leninist societies we saw in the 20th century and theoretical anarcho-communist utopias.

One criticism I sometimes see of The Dispossessed is that it actually makes the capitalist system seem more attractive than the anarchist one. Le Guin wasn't trying to write about a perfect society, because utopia is impossible, merely to try and illustrate a different society.



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28 Jun 2023, 9:01 am

You're probably right. The book itself sounds pretty interesting and works of fiction can certainly make good points. I've just had some bad experiences with other people saying "read this and you'll agree with me".

Its totally not Fnord's fault and on reflection, you're probably right that he didn't want me to read it uncritically.


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28 Jun 2023, 9:16 am

Y'all seem to still be having issues with this topic.

What is wrong with communism? (In brief, please)


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28 Jun 2023, 6:11 pm

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What is wrong with communism?

Everything listed  HERE .


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