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Yesterday, 3:43 am

With Its Goals in Iran Out of Reach and Its Endgame Unclear, What's Next for Israel?

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The Israeli attack on Iran, which sparked an all-out war between the two countries, was meant to delay Iran's plans by two to three years. Its main goal was to delay the Iranians from swiftly obtaining the ability to develop a complete nuclear weapon, from increasing the number of ballistic missiles in their arsenal to around 8,000 in the next two years and from making progress toward implementing a major attack on Israel, which Israelis have dubbed the Iranian "plan of annihilation."

The Israeli airstrikes, which have also included the assassination of dozens of senior officials of the Iranian regime and its security services, is supposed to pave the way for intervention by U.S. President Donald Trump. Jerusalem is still hoping that thanks to its military operation, Trump will be able to force the Iranians to accept a more demanding agreement.

Meanwhile, it's also clear that Israel is trying to promote the downfall of the regime. That was evident in Monday's strikes, which were aimed at targets identified with the regime, like the headquarters of Iranian state television. But this is a more ambitious goal that probably isn't achievable. The rising number of Iranian civilians killed in the Israeli strikes may well produce the opposite effect, by leading part of the public to close ranks around their hated regime against the external threat.

Yet even after four days of war, enormous damage in Tehran and considerable damage in Tel Aviv, it's impossible to say that the goals, overt or less so, have been achieved or are even within reach. Have realistic goals even been set, or are the "goals" merely wishes?

Israel began the war brilliantly, but the military operation is far from over. There's uncertainty regarding the U.S. position as well as uncertainty over the scenarios for ending the war. And naturally, there is a fear that this will become a long war of attrition for which Israel isn't prepared.

Even as we are awed by the successes that the air force, Military Intelligence and the Mossad racked up during the attack, as well as the interceptions by our aerial defense systems and the daring of rescuers from the Home Front Command, we shouldn't ignore the basic fact that almost all recent governments failed to do anything to eliminate one critical gap. A sizable percentage of Israelis – tens of percent – have no accessible protection from rockets in the form of a nearby shelter or safe room. And many of them live in major cities.

Moreover, nobody prepared the public for the differences between missile fire from the Gaza Strip or Yemen and what residents of greater Tel Aviv and Haifa have experienced over the past few nights. After the Israel Defense Forces wisely destroyed the bulk of Hezbollah's missile threat, many Israelis presumably thought the major risk had been reduced.

As of Monday evening, 25 Israelis had been killed by Iran's massive missile strikes. Hundreds of others are wounded and dozens of buildings are either destroyed or will have to be demolished. This is damage on a scale that Israelis aren't used to – at least not those living in the center of the country.

Since the war began, Iran has launched some 350 ballistic missiles at Israel. More than 90 percent of them were either intercepted by our aerial defense systems or landed in open areas. And the number of people killed has been lower than the IDF General Staff initially predicted.

Obeying the Home Front Command's instructions and staying in a shelter or a safe room usually saves lives. To date, aside from those killed in a direct missile hit on a safe room in a building in Petah Tikva early Monday morning, no one has been killed in a safe room. But obviously, these are interim findings. A mass casualty incident, or a direct hit on a strategic asset or a site with symbolic importance would change the mood on the home front, which is already tense and anxious.

The IDF points out that one important advantage has been achieved – Israel has complete freedom of the skies in western Iran, achieved with the help of precise intelligence in real time. This goal was already achieved on Saturday, faster than the army expected, and it has enabled the air force to hit dozens of surface-to-surface missile launchers and hundreds of missiles. The attacks on senior officials are also continuing, though on a smaller scale.

The IDF describes this as acquiring the same freedom of action in the third circle – that is, Iran – as it has in the first, namely Gaza or Lebanon. Israel has thereby imitated the United States' tactic at the start of its two wars against Iraq, in 1991 and 2003 – "shock and awe," a method that relies mainly on the use of airpower.

Too good to be true
Where does Israel go from here? As written in these pages at the start of the war, the most important and decisive factor was the extent of American support for Israel. Will the public statements, the transfer of ammunition and the intelligence and air-defense assistance be translated to offensive measures? On Monday, there was a lot of focus on the movement of 30 U.S. refueling aircraft eastward from an American base.

In the first scenario, the Americans join in an attack on the Fordow nuclear facilities and other regime targets. That would change the balance of power entirely and realize Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's fantasies. However, Trump hasn't given any indication of moving in that direction, and the isolationist circles around him are strongly opposed to direct U.S. involvement.

In the second scenario, Trump urges Netanyahu to quickly end the war while he's ahead and forces a cease-fire on both sides, while trying to reach a new nuclear agreement with tougher conditions for Iran (the IDF hopes that they will be given more time to attack, despite the damage on the home front).

The third scenario – and perhaps the most dangerous – touches on a war of attrition. Israel could find itself in the same situation as Ukraine, which has been at war with Russia for more than three years. But at least Ukraine enjoys strong international support.

The Wall Street Journal reported on Monday that Iran has already relayed urgent signals of its desire to end the war and resume nuclear talks. According to the report, which is attributed to officials in the Middle East and Europe, Tehran conveyed these messages through Arab intermediaries to the United States and Israel.

This is very encouraging news, but raises a slight suspicion that at such an early stage in the war, it may be too good to be true. Iran has been hit hard by Israel, with attacks unprecedented in scope, but it's impossible to ignore the determination that the extremist regime has demonstrated to date. Moreover, the Journal (without involving its skilled staff in Israel) has been suspected in recent years of serving as a conduit for stories favorable to Netanyahu.

One person who is unwisely contributing to the accusations that Israel is deliberately targeting civilians in Tehran is Defense Minister Israel Katz. On Monday, following heavy shelling of the Tel Aviv metropolitan area, Katz wrote on X that "the residents of Tehran will pay the price, and soon."

Such remarks entangle Israel, and Katz himself, with accusations of war crimes, precisely on the front where the IDF is more selective in its use of fire than in Gaza. Later, Katz was forced to issue a clarification. This is no longer a ridiculous matter, but one of real damage. Pilots are risking their lives in Iran, soldiers are being killed in Gaza and so are civilians on the home front – while for Katz, the war appears to be one big photo op. "He was, there is no kinder or gentler word for it, a fool," journalist David Halberstam said about Robert McNamara, the U.S. defense secretary during much of the Vietnam War.

Katz is the man Netanyahu chose to put into such a senior position in the midst of a war. What else keeps the prime minister busy during this difficult war, as he embarks on the most important strategic campaign of his life? On Monday, he appealed to the High Court of Justice to overturn the attorney general's opinion to enable Maj. Gen. David Zini, his candidate to lead the Shin Bet security agency, to be urgently appointed to the position after Ronen Bar stepped down a day earlier. The journey to dismantle democracy continues, despite the war in Iran, and may even accelerate under its auspices.

The calculations
To preserve the element of surprise, Netanyahu didn't bother to let the citizens of Israel in on his considerations on the eve of the attack. After the first attack, he explained that new intelligence had emerged in recent months that left him no choice but to act. Army Chief of Staff Eyal Zamir, who now enjoys a high level of public trust, troubled to make clear that the decision to go to war was "businesslike and professional." But many former defense establishment officials have doubts, mainly about the prime minister's considerations, which have justifiably been questionable in recent years.

Intelligence officials told Haaretz on Monday that the Iranians exploited the lengthy negotiations over the Americans' return to the nuclear agreement, first at the end of President Joe Biden's term and then at the start of Trump's, to accelerate its nuclear project. Renewed work was identified in the project's weapons group, among others. Most of that group's leading scientists were killed in a targeted Israeli strike on the night of the first attack.

The army had recommended to undertake the operation in June, after several previous postponements, with the idea that capabilities to carry out opening moves would have been completed. However, waiting further could have led to gaps in the Iranian air defenses being closed. That is why the attack was launched when it was. There will be room to revisit these considerations, both while the war is fought, and even more so when it's over.


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Yesterday, 4:44 am

I imagine that Israel's goal is to greatly reduce the current threats from Iran. Maybe even to try to get them to stop the threats entirely.

It doesn't seem likely that they have any intentions of invading and occupying Iran -- that just doesn't seem to be at all possible.



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Yesterday, 5:58 am

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So if economic sanctions have limited impact on Israel what's the alternative? how does the international community gain leverage?

Sometimes patience is a virtue, eventually the Israeli people will be fed up with being embargoed and throw Netanyahu out of government.


Are there any evidence that sanctions have been imposed on Israel? I'm for sanctions for legit reasons.
There are reasons for sanctioning Iran, however sanctioning them for moving away from the US dollar to gold is not a legitimate reason to me. Iran, Russia, China, India, Turkey and others did it about 7 years ago and got economic sanctions as response.

I can't wrap my head around your lack of urgency. It's very similar to Swedish government's stance on the matter. An unfortunate conflict (the Gaza-situation), but with time it will probably resolve itself.
If your home was on fire, I believe you would try to put it out. Probably because it would have something of value to save. I don't believe you would wait until the fire went out by itself or someone else did it for you.
Similar to how all eyes been on Gaza and few been taking notice on what has been going on, on the West Bank. I believe an escalating conflict/war between Israel and Iran will give Israel the opportunity to finish the genocide, or at least ethnic cleanse Gaza. Might even be the aim for attacking Iran.


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Yesterday, 6:10 am

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cyberdora wrote:
So if economic sanctions have limited impact on Israel what's the alternative? how does the international community gain leverage?

Sometimes patience is a virtue, eventually the Israeli people will be fed up with being embargoed and throw Netanyahu out of government.


Are there any evidence that sanctions have been imposed on Israel? I'm for sanctions for legit reasons.
There are reasons for sanctioning Iran, however sanctioning them for moving away from the US dollar to gold is not a legitimate reason to me. Iran, Russia, China, India, Turkey and others did it about 7 years ago and got economic sanctions as response.

I can't wrap my head around your lack of urgency. It's very similar to Swedish government's stance on the matter. An unfortunate conflict (the Gaza-situation), but with time it will probably resolve itself.
If your home was on fire, I believe you would try to put it out. Probably because it would have something of value to save. I don't believe you would wait until the fire went out by itself or someone else did it for you.
Similar to how all eyes been on Gaza and few been taking notice on what has been going on, on the West Bank. I believe an escalating conflict/war between Israel and Iran will give Israel the opportunity to finish the genocide, or at least ethnic cleanse Gaza. Might even be the aim for attacking Iran.


what do you propose then?



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Yesterday, 6:49 am

~83+% of Jewish Israelis support the Bibi's war against Iran and Gaza.

They see it as an existential war; regardless if they are wrong or right about it.

The only way to stop Israel would be .... by force, by a war declared by all the nations against Israel who want to save Gaza from genocide (the whole EU, all Arab countries, even China and Russia).

And this is never gonna happen.

Let's be real, no one did for the sake of Ukraine, and therefore no Western/European country would do it for the sake of some Muslims for sure.



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Yesterday, 8:05 am

In Rwanda, the UN sent in peace keeping forces to stop the genocide.
It's extremely hard and difficult to make the change. But something needs to be done. It's inspiring to see Liam Cunningham, Great Thunberg and others take matters in their own hands and try to make a change (even thou they could kidnapped by IDF).
At the moment Netanyahu is begging Trump to put american troops on the ground in Iran. Of course both of them want a regime change.
Without a doubt, the US is the best quickest way to turn things around for the better. They are the ones with real power to make a change. It doesn't look bright at the moment, but the No-king protest give me some hope.


Both EU-countries and the US has aided Ukraine with weapons to defend themselves (rightly so in my opinion). The
Palestinian people have been left to fend for themselves, that's the big difference. Sweden even pulled out from aiding UNRAWA just because IDF said so. After 7th October Sweden increased their weapons sales to Israel.

I'm curious about if Iran close down the strait of Hormuz. What would the worlds response be from the economic implication, and especially China's response. Would Trump see it as opportunity to put american troops on the ground? Would China intervene?


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Yesterday, 9:41 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
~83+% of Jewish Israelis support the Bibi's war against Iran and Gaza


I refuse to believe that 83% of Israeli Jews support a genocide. I can easily believe that 83% got tricked into supporting genocide, because they have a state-run media propaganda machine that refuses to call it that. They don't have freedom of press there, so they'll believe whatever the state tells them to believe.



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Yesterday, 2:10 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
~83+% of Jewish Israelis support the Bibi's war against Iran and Gaza


I refuse to believe that 83% of Israeli Jews support a genocide. I can easily believe that 83% got tricked into supporting genocide, because they have a state-run media propaganda machine that refuses to call it that. They don't have freedom of press there, so they'll believe whatever the state tells them to believe.


Note how you change the supporting of the war against Iran and Gaza to supporting genocide. Around here, that would be called propaganda.



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Yesterday, 2:19 pm

What’s happening in Gaza is a genocide, so supporting it would be supporting genocide. It’s a fact, not propaganda.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases ... t-genocide

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... s-in-gaza/

It’s not genocide in Iran, though.


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Yesterday, 2:37 pm

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ESCALATING CONFLICT: Israel and Iran launched a new round of attacks as the conflict between the two heavily armed rivals enters its fifth day.

TRUMP AMPS UP RHETORIC:Despite previously saying the U.S. would not intervene directly in the conflict, President Donald Trump today posted to social media, “We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran.” He also said the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is "an easy target."

MILITARY LEADERS TARGETED: Israel said it had killed Ali Shadmani, Iran's new wartime chief of staff and the country's most senior military commander. His predecessor was killed in Israel's initial attack Friday.

SECOND U.S. AIRCRAFT CARRIER: The Pentagon is expediting the deployment of the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier and other ships to the Middle East, two U.S. officials told NBC News.

HUNDREDS KILLED: At least 224 people have been killed since Israel began bombing Iran on Friday, Iranian state media reported, while Iranian retaliatory strikes have killed at least 24 people in Israel.

Trump meeting with national security advisers underway
President Donald Trump's meeting in the Situation Room with national security advisers is now underway, two White House officials tell NBC News.

Widespread cyberattacks hit Iranian banks, ATMs and internet access
Massive internet issues due to cyberattacks are hitting Iran's banking system, the NBC News Tehran bureau reports.

Some ATM machines are not giving money, or giving very little money, and debit cards are not working, according to an on-the-ground source.

Sepah Bank and Pasargad Bank have been hit with the cyberattacks, but are working to resolve the issue, the source says.

Top Iranian general threatens 'punitive action' against Israel
Iran's new army chief said the operations his forces have conducted against Israel thus far were just a "deterrent warning," vowing that "punitive action will be carried out soon."

"Residents of the occupied territories especially Tel Aviv and Haifa are warned to leave these areas in order to preserve their lives," Gen. Abdolrahim Mousavi said in televised statements.

Mousavi was appointed the chief of staff of the Iranian armed forces after the Israelis killed his predecessor, Gen. Mohammad Bagheri, last week.

Bipartisan resolution seeks to keep U.S. from attacking Iran without congressional consent
Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., has teamed up with congressional Democrats and introduced a resolution today to prohibit “United States Armed Forces from unauthorized hostilities in the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

The bipartisan resolution is co-sponsored by prominent Democrats who often disagree with Massie on domestic issues, like Rep. Ro Khanna of California and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York.

"The Constitution does not permit the executive branch to unilaterally commit an act of war against a sovereign nation that hasn’t attacked the United States,” Massie said in a statement. “Congress has the sole power to declare war against Iran. The ongoing war between Israel and Iran is not our war. Even if it were, Congress must decide such matters according to our Constitution.”

Massie has, at times, been a Republican thorn in President Trump’s side and is one of the few Republicans staunchly opposed to the president's proposed sweeping spending plan known as the “Big Beautiful Bill."


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Yesterday, 3:01 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
~83+% of Jewish Israelis support the Bibi's war against Iran and Gaza.

They see it as an existential war; regardless if they are wrong or right about it.

The only way to stop Israel would be .... by force, by a war declared by all the nations against Israel who want to save Gaza from genocide (the whole EU, all Arab countries, even China and Russia).

And this is never gonna happen.

Let's be real, no one did for the sake of Ukraine, and therefore no Western/European country would do it for the sake of some Muslims for sure.


You don’t need all those countries and you don’t need a full on invasion. You need enough countries to impose a combination navel blockade and no fly zone. I can’t see that happening anytime soon but possibly when the zoomers take control.

In the near term do you think are the Iranians are fanatical/suicidal enough to make their missiles into chemical or biological weapons and use them? A few well placed strikes would make the heart of Israel uninhabitable. Of course if they did that Palestine would also be uninhabitable. So would Iran after Israel used the Sampson option. So it would be a situation where Israel is doing to Iran what it did to Gaza.


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Yesterday, 5:18 pm

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What’s happening in Gaza is a genocide, so supporting it would be supporting genocide. It’s a fact, not propaganda.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases ... t-genocide

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... s-in-gaza/

It’s not genocide in Iran, though.


Just how do "you" define genocide?

To me, it is far more than just attacking someone in a racial group -- it is about systematically trying to exterminate the entire racial group. I see no sign that Israel is rounding up Palestinians and killing them in some systematic effort to kill off the entire racial group.



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Yesterday, 5:44 pm

Given their continued indiscriminate fire on civilians leading to the deaths of huge numbers of innocent people, including children, as well as the denial of aid among many other atrocities, it seems that they are systematically trying to exterminate the Palestinian people. I’m also satisfied with the findings of organizations like the UN and Amnesty International among others.


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Yesterday, 6:02 pm

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What’s happening in Gaza is a genocide, so supporting it would be supporting genocide. It’s a fact, not propaganda.


the definition of genocide created by the UN is so broad that currently there are multiple countries that meet this requirement
1.Killing members of the group.
2.Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.
3.Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction.
4.Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
5.Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

If you are invoking the g-word then why the global obsession with Palestine? As if no other country deserves the same attention 24hrs a day/7 days a week? why isn't there the same outrage elsewhere?

while Israel's government should be held accountable, why do other countries escape scrutiny? why aren't US college students protesting over much more "significant genocide" in Burma, Sri Lanka, China, Sudan or indigenous tribes in Brazil? why exactly is there a hierarchy of importance whom deserves more space on our news feed?



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Yesterday, 6:10 pm

^^^Note I am posing a question about what is it about the Palestinian conflict that makes it more important in the news cycle (I am not saying Palestinian civilian deaths is not important, it is) than (let's pick just one current event) than the Ethiopian/Eritrean conflict. The Tigray War (2020-2022) saw substantial loss of life, with estimates of 600,000 killed, mostly civilians.

If we are doing genocide olympics, Israel isn't even in the top 10.