22 May 2008, 2:12 pm
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22 May 2008, 2:14 pm
How about we give all of those homeless Arabs homes here in America? 
22 May 2008, 2:20 pm
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22 May 2008, 2:29 pm
22 May 2008, 2:35 pm
22 May 2008, 2:45 pm
skafather84 wrote:
sartresue wrote:
The only bona fide democracy in the Middle East gone.
so? is that our problem?
You're right, skafool: Apathy is the solution.
Strange, then, that you are the polar opposite of apathetic throughout this entire thread.
But I guess it's all about timing, huh?
I say Israel has the right to exist, you go ballistic.
Then a true, world-effecting tragedy is predicted, and suddenly you couldn't care less.
Which is it? Are you hot-headed or cold-blooded, because we can't tell.
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22 May 2008, 2:50 pm
22 May 2008, 2:52 pm
skafather84 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
how can something that occured good 15+/- years before the holocaust be attributed to the holocaust?
israel being formed into a state was decided and announced in 1917 with the balfour declaration of 1917. the earliest nazi concentration camps weren't around until around the time of the reichstag fire in 1933.
quit messing up history to fit into your narrow world view.
israel being formed into a state was decided and announced in 1917 with the balfour declaration of 1917. the earliest nazi concentration camps weren't around until around the time of the reichstag fire in 1933.
quit messing up history to fit into your narrow world view.
If you'd like to talk about history, let's talk about the Jews owning and living in Israel and Jerusalem
for more than one thousand years.
Go on an archaeological dig there sometime, why don't you, and you'll find the soil is jam-packed with ancient Jewish artifacts.
(Oh, I forgot, evidence is not your preferred method of learning, excuse me.)
Really, skafool, if you're aguing against a Jewish state on its present land, history is the LAST subject you should bring up!
The Jews have less right to have a nation anywhere else on the globe than where they are right now,
so those who suggest Israel should rightly be relocated need to wake up -- they are EXACTLY WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.
i disprove you on the holocaust thing so you redirect to that they had the land a few thousand years ago while you ignore the past few hundred years where they didn't have the land.
Uh... pot, kettle? You completely ignored the entire 5,000-word scholarly article that this thread was based upon --
an article which articulated the facts far better than either you or I could,
and you dismissed the whole thing -- in its entirety, you said -- on the grounds that it talks
about the last sixty-one years to the present day.
The 37 historical quotes given in the article were all made up,
you imply. You fool.
Then, you say that only 1917 matters -- nothing before, and nothing afterward. (Not 1947-1948, and not ~1,000 B.C.)
You selective-sighted idiot.
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22 May 2008, 3:00 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
How about we give all of those homeless Arabs homes here in America?
Ya! Terrific idea! I'll contact some Palestinians for you, skafather, and let them know you'll be expecting them.
I mean, you clearly love them and their cause, after fighting so hard for them in this thread.
And the Israelis are beating them up and shooting them dead everyday, right? Even targetting children, right?
So, how can you SIT THERE, and wait for more Palestinians to DIE!?!
Surely, it would be nothing short of your wildest dream to shack up with some screaming, smelly Palestinian gunmen!
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22 May 2008, 3:02 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
What are you doing presenting historical evidence in this thread, iamnotaparakeet?
Don't you know that the other side of the argument here doesn't look at evidence?
I mean, what does archaeological proof mean to them, when they have their liberal ideals?
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22 May 2008, 3:05 pm
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22 May 2008, 3:10 pm
22 May 2008, 3:31 pm
Ragtime wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
how can something that occured good 15+/- years before the holocaust be attributed to the holocaust?
israel being formed into a state was decided and announced in 1917 with the balfour declaration of 1917. the earliest nazi concentration camps weren't around until around the time of the reichstag fire in 1933.
quit messing up history to fit into your narrow world view.
israel being formed into a state was decided and announced in 1917 with the balfour declaration of 1917. the earliest nazi concentration camps weren't around until around the time of the reichstag fire in 1933.
quit messing up history to fit into your narrow world view.
If you'd like to talk about history, let's talk about the Jews owning and living in Israel and Jerusalem
for more than one thousand years.
Go on an archaeological dig there sometime, why don't you, and you'll find the soil is jam-packed with ancient Jewish artifacts.
(Oh, I forgot, evidence is not your preferred method of learning, excuse me.)
Really, skafool, if you're aguing against a Jewish state on its present land, history is the LAST subject you should bring up!
The Jews have less right to have a nation anywhere else on the globe than where they are right now,
so those who suggest Israel should rightly be relocated need to wake up -- they are EXACTLY WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.
i disprove you on the holocaust thing so you redirect to that they had the land a few thousand years ago while you ignore the past few hundred years where they didn't have the land.
Uh... pot, kettle? You completely ignored the entire 5,000-word scholarly article that this thread was based upon--
an article which articulated the facts better than either you or I could,
and you dismissed the whole thing -- in its entirety, you said -- on the grounds that it talks
about the last sixty-one years to the present day.
The 37 historical quotes given in the article were all made up,you imply. You fool.
Then, you say that only 1917 matters -- nothing before, and nothing afterward. (Not 1947-1948, and not ~1,000 B.C.)
Idiot.the article was very well written but complete and utter garbage and little more than a writeup for israel and a hit piece on palestine. it only showed one side of the issue, didn't give historical context, didn't give both sides of the issue, and was basically a puff piece.
and i'm done because you keep changing the subject whenever i present factual information to refute your points. when i challenge you on the holocaust thing, you change the subject to that the israelis had the land thousands of years ago. when i ask if you call for similar treatment for african americans or native americans you completely ignore it and divert elsewhere. this is a circular argument and i'm done because i'm getting dizzy and it's only lap 284.
22 May 2008, 4:02 pm
22 May 2008, 4:03 pm
22 May 2008, 4:04 pm
skafather84 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
how can something that occured good 15+/- years before the holocaust be attributed to the holocaust?
israel being formed into a state was decided and announced in 1917 with the balfour declaration of 1917. the earliest nazi concentration camps weren't around until around the time of the reichstag fire in 1933.
quit messing up history to fit into your narrow world view.
israel being formed into a state was decided and announced in 1917 with the balfour declaration of 1917. the earliest nazi concentration camps weren't around until around the time of the reichstag fire in 1933.
quit messing up history to fit into your narrow world view.
If you'd like to talk about history, let's talk about the Jews owning and living in Israel and Jerusalem
for more than one thousand years.
Go on an archaeological dig there sometime, why don't you, and you'll find the soil is jam-packed with ancient Jewish artifacts.
(Oh, I forgot, evidence is not your preferred method of learning, excuse me.)
Really, skafool, if you're aguing against a Jewish state on its present land, history is the LAST subject you should bring up!
The Jews have less right to have a nation anywhere else on the globe than where they are right now,
so those who suggest Israel should rightly be relocated need to wake up -- they are EXACTLY WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.
i disprove you on the holocaust thing so you redirect to that they had the land a few thousand years ago while you ignore the past few hundred years where they didn't have the land.
Uh... pot, kettle? You completely ignored the entire 5,000-word scholarly article that this thread was based upon--
an article which articulated the facts better than either you or I could,
and you dismissed the whole thing -- in its entirety, you said -- on the grounds that it talks
about the last sixty-one years to the present day.
The 37 historical quotes given in the article were all made up,you imply. You fool.
Then, you say that only 1917 matters -- nothing before, and nothing afterward. (Not 1947-1948, and not ~1,000 B.C.)
Idiot.the article was very well written but complete and utter garbage
That's a paradox.
skafather wrote:
it only showed one side of the issue, didn't give historical context, didn't give both sides of the issue, and was basically a puff piece.
No, the attention was clearly evenly split among what went on between the Palestinians and their leaders,
what went on among the Jews, and what went on between the Jews and the Palestinians. (Which was, namely, peace.)
skafather wrote:
and i'm done because you keep changing the subject whenever i present factual information to refute your points.
That's what you've been doing all along!
skafather wrote:
when i challenge you on the holocaust thing, you change the subject to that the israelis had the land thousands of years ago.
It's the SAME SUBJECT. That subject is Israel.
I can't help it if you see false dividers between inexorably-related issues.
skafather wrote:
when i ask if you call for similar treatment for african americans or native americans you completely ignore it and divert elsewhere.
That was a diversion itself, and an obvious one.
skafather wrote:
this is a circular argument and i'm done because i'm getting dizzy and it's only lap 284.
Bye.
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