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27 Sep 2009, 12:56 pm

0hanrahan wrote:
Very sensationalist.

The Jews and Christians were actually terrorized by others for centuries. King Herod was an arab put in to power by the Romans.
I have never heard of mad Buddhists going on suicide bomb missions.

The Islamic empire began colonialism and religious imperialism long before anyone. Once Mohammed mobilized everyone they began conquering in the late 600s AD and did not stop for almost 1000 years.



Read this for some more perspective on how the Islamic empire was forcing things to happen way before the middle ages:
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Sten ... des.01.htm



Every religion has it's extremists. There were mad Buddhists running Aum Shrinkiyo who released sarin gas on the Tokyo Subway. How is that right actions, right livelihood, I don't know.

Christians were terrorists as much as Muslims are seen today. Indeed, many Muslim terrorists are motivated by what Christians done in the past. The Crusades, the intereference in the Islamic and Ottoman Empires and so on.

I am not saying Muslims are right, especially not the terrorist attacks they did such as in Kenya,Tanzania and America but they have their beef and should have been expressed more calmely.



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27 Sep 2009, 1:01 pm

0hanrahan wrote:
Read this for some more perspective on how the Islamic empire was forcing things to happen way before the middle ages:
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Sten ... des.01.htm



Christian brainwashing site.

Not a very trusted source for reliable information on Islam.


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27 Sep 2009, 7:45 pm

skafather84 wrote:
0hanrahan wrote:
Read this for some more perspective on how the Islamic empire was forcing things to happen way before the middle ages:
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Sten ... des.01.htm



Christian brainwashing site.

Not a very trusted source for reliable information on Islam.



The facts don't lie. Muslims on order of Mohamed began taking over all of North Africa, The fertile crescent, the Mediterranean and Spain long before the crusades. We are talking domination of resources and killing since the 600s until the 16th century. Greece only recently got rid of Islamic control.

Islam was involved in a slave trade, buying them from Vikings and others.

By the time of the first crusades, the Europeans had been dealing with this for 300-400 years and they had had enough.
It wasn't great, but they had a right to protect pilgrages and reopen their trade routes which were being cut off by the Islamic empire. Imperialism for 1000 years. Wow.
Much much less than was ever done by any other culture including Europeans.

Timeline:
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/imperial ... chron.html

Great book on the subject:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?index=b ... 0300122632



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27 Sep 2009, 8:28 pm

[quote="0hanrahan"]Very sensationalist.

The Jews and Christians were actually terrorized by others for centuries. King Herod was an arab put in to power by the Romans.
I have never heard of mad Buddhists going on suicide bomb missions.

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Herod was not an Arab. He was an Idumean, a descendant of Essau.

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28 Sep 2009, 2:07 pm

Most people don't believe in god due to choice, it is because it is what they where told. Children are totally dependent on their parents, and will believe what they say, the same happened to their parents, and their parents before them... and so forth.

If you where a child that knew nothing of a god, and later when you grew up only to have someone tell you of a invisible man in the sky that looks down on you... you would laugh and walk away. We do it with Scientology don't we?

Religion is a tradition, nothing more. We are old enough now to know that bible stories just aren't true, but if practicing religion makes you feel better, good for you. The real problem is when the followers get out of hand, and go out trying to convert people.

And if any of you are so hard-core as to believe that the earth is 6000 years old... you deserve to be laughed at.


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28 Sep 2009, 4:53 pm

I'm reminded of a Dan Dennet video I watched earlier today.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzGjEkp772s[/youtube]


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