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04 Sep 2009, 7:38 pm

I found when I lived in the South at least people were open about it and you knew where you stood. In the North more people hide it outwardly so you never know where you stand


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04 Sep 2009, 8:07 pm

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I found when I lived in the South at least people were open about it and you knew where you stood. In the North more people hide it outwardly so you never know where you stand


In the Twin Cities they are also fairly open about it, particularly on the Minneapolis side, but Saint Paul has a few winners as well.

It's not all the people that express these attitudes, but plenty do and they seem to have no penalty or anything against them.

Youth tend to be less racist, but a lot of adults even take it to the point of hatred.



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04 Sep 2009, 11:22 pm

I don't know about all areas but I notice something is definitely up with Cleveland. The way I understand it though a lot of the old industrial cities of the midwest were carved up into sectors a long time ago, don't know if it was just the flow of jobs or if it was de jour discrimination of the times but, there are very white areas and very black. I go and visit a city like Indianapolis and notice that its not like that at all - everyone's everywhere and while I usually wouldn't have much of a thermometer to test whites when I'm out of town I noticed that as far as the many African Americans I met they were all very unassuming which almost took me back a bit; I've seen that in places like Toronto, would have guessed that cynicism was more of an American cultural trait - now I'm really starting to think that when you have neighborhoods that are almost exclusively black or white its very easy for people to get so conceptually used to living with their own and have so little a sense of the other aside from the stereotypes that its almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Sadly our politicians were stupid enough to think that bussing kids around the inner-city of Cleveland - east to west and vice a versa, would solve the problem? It was a truly idiotic decision because it excaburates the surface of the problem rather than dealing with the root in any direct way.

I think the media does a lot to gin up the race war as well, keeps many African Americans cynical of whites, most whites can't think of a thing to say - they aren't their parents, many weren't around even on this earth yet in the 1950's, it seems like current generations are still trying to shake off history and figure out what to do about now. Sadly though these are still very confusing times and yes, the race wielding in Washington and Hollywood aren't helping at all.



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04 Sep 2009, 11:48 pm

Racism only requires mental laziness and assumptions. It's the easiest way to operate. It's why it's so popular here in the country of mental laziness.


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04 Sep 2009, 11:58 pm

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Racism only requires mental laziness and assumptions. It's the easiest way to operate. It's why it's so popular here in the country of mental laziness.


I look at it this way - people all across the board everywhere, in all countries, seem to be generally of limited mental resources. Mental laziness and assuptiveness seems like it fits disenfranchisement more than just being a public choice as much. Though I will admit, the U.S. does have the disadvantage of being the most prosperous which is generally not good for the mental health of a society for too long.



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05 Sep 2009, 12:38 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Racism only requires mental laziness and assumptions. It's the easiest way to operate. It's why it's so popular here in the country of mental laziness.


I look at it this way - people all across the board everywhere, in all countries, seem to be generally of limited mental resources. Mental laziness and assuptiveness seems like it fits disenfranchisement more than just being a public choice as much. Though I will admit, the U.S. does have the disadvantage of being the most prosperous which is generally not good for the mental health of a society for too long.


Being poor and stupid is hardly an ideal.



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05 Sep 2009, 1:22 am

^ This.



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05 Sep 2009, 10:39 am

Phil, you'll have to explain to me what that post meant - I have no idea whatsoever.



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05 Sep 2009, 11:09 am

Sand wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Racism only requires mental laziness and assumptions. It's the easiest way to operate. It's why it's so popular here in the country of mental laziness.


I look at it this way - people all across the board everywhere, in all countries, seem to be generally of limited mental resources. Mental laziness and assuptiveness seems like it fits disenfranchisement more than just being a public choice as much. Though I will admit, the U.S. does have the disadvantage of being the most prosperous which is generally not good for the mental health of a society for too long.


Being poor and stupid is hardly an ideal.


I sometimes wonder how much difference it makes. It's part of why I call the republicans who are poor slaves: because they really have no idea what kind of system they're supporting, who they're supporting, or why. They're slaves without knowledge of being such....which....are you really a slave if you never really know it?


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05 Sep 2009, 4:03 pm

Here's the shorthand version;

In the South, you can be separate as long as you're not equal
in the North, you can be equal as long as you're separate.



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05 Sep 2009, 5:06 pm

pakled wrote:
Here's the shorthand version;

In the South, you can be separate as long as you're not equal
in the North, you can be equal as long as you're separate.


I am white and have all sorts of friends but I read the statistics about police brutality and racial treatment and there is no doubt that, although the exceptional black man can possibly do well the average black guy gets screwed where ever he might be.



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05 Sep 2009, 6:15 pm

I'm tired of the whole Mexican pride thing. :roll:

I saw a lot of that this summer in Chicago. There is also a lot of Mexican pride in southern California. So annoying...


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05 Sep 2009, 6:49 pm

When people say "this" by pointing something out, it generally means that they agree / concur to said statement, consider it somewhat close to QFT albeit more on a subjective scale.



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06 Sep 2009, 8:16 pm

skafather84 wrote:
I sometimes wonder how much difference it makes. It's part of why I call the republicans who are poor slaves: because they really have no idea what kind of system they're supporting, who they're supporting, or why. They're slaves without knowledge of being such....which....are you really a slave if you never really know it?


This begs the question, while I can understand questioning social conservatism to an extent - the people who are for political and economic conservatism who lets say are typical blue collar or middle-middle class rather than upper-middle class; they're slaves as compared to what exactly? What's this alternative ideal world where everyone's free of having to work for a living or even just have their wages matched by their skill levels?



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07 Sep 2009, 3:56 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
I sometimes wonder how much difference it makes. It's part of why I call the republicans who are poor slaves: because they really have no idea what kind of system they're supporting, who they're supporting, or why. They're slaves without knowledge of being such....which....are you really a slave if you never really know it?


This begs the question, while I can understand questioning social conservatism to an extent - the people who are for political and economic conservatism who lets say are typical blue collar or middle-middle class rather than upper-middle class; they're slaves as compared to what exactly? What's this alternative ideal world where everyone's free of having to work for a living or even just have their wages matched by their skill levels?


How about conservative Christians and republicans who are unemployed? Or work in junk jobs, like for Wal-Mart, or Burger King, or McDonald's? You limited it to a group which generally gets paid enough to live on, as if the ideology guaranteed people a certain income. I have worked only once in a warehouse, and the rest of the time in the service and food service industry, which is fairly close to slavery, if not just another form of serfdom. Living from paycheck to paycheck sucks, especially when you can be excommunicated on the whim of some higher up.



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07 Sep 2009, 4:25 pm

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How about conservative Christians and republicans who are unemployed? Or work in junk jobs, like for Wal-Mart, or Burger King, or McDonald's? You limited it to a group which generally gets paid enough to live on, as if the ideology guaranteed people a certain income. I have worked only once in a warehouse, and the rest of the time in the service and food service industry, which is fairly close to slavery, if not just another form of serfdom. Living from paycheck to paycheck sucks, especially when you can be excommunicated on the whim of some higher up.


That really doesn't answer a lot, nor is it really in keeping with the original question - non-rich Americans who happen to be economically or politically conservative/Republican; they're slaves as compared to what exacly? Non-rich liberals and democrats are non-slaves? The poor are free non-slaves, non-serfs, under socialism or communism somehow? This is what I can't get my head around.