how can I make a bad relationship work?
I love my ex boyfriend very much but things are often not good between us. Often he says spiteful things which upset me and he can be quite selfish. He says I make him happy when we are together but often I feel very stressed and bad about myself. I can also be hurtful to him and very grumpy. I dont like my routines interfered with and I need more time alone and get grumpy when i dont have enough alone time.
Ive had a very very hard year, with problems with my neighbours, moving house, studying an msc, problems with social services, problems with my autistic kids challenging behaviour, pets dying, problems with friends etc. So Ive not been on good form myself and have been in general very stressed and struggleing emotionally.
Ive recently gave up smoking (after having started again in august) and that was very hard and made me very grumpy and stressed. My ex boyfriend was not good about giving me enough alone time to give up smoking easily and put added emotional pressure on me.
I very much love my ex boyfriend but I dont know how to make a relationship work, we are both very different and have a different way of veiwing the world and reacting to the world. Im very much the text book aspie, aloof, rude with low theory of mind, where as he is more shy, quiet and sensitive. We have the same interests and values which is very important to me.
It hurts a lot not being with him and makes me feel like Im dying and sick, I feel very sad not being with him. But I feel very distressed haveing a relationship with him as well so I dont know what to do.
(I dont want to have couples councilling as I cant sort out childcare or afford it at present)
thats just how he is, he was spiteful from the begining. He knows he is spiteful and tries not to be, mostly he does it after ruminating on what a cow I am, he will then send spiteful texts or emails. He thinks I am at fault too for being bossy and irritable.
thats just how he is, he was spiteful from the begining. He knows he is spiteful and tries not to be, mostly he does it after ruminating on what a cow I am, he will then send spiteful texts or emails. He thinks I am at fault too for being bossy and irritable.
Just forget him, he will never change.
thats just how he is, he was spiteful from the begining. He knows he is spiteful and tries not to be, mostly he does it after ruminating on what a cow I am, he will then send spiteful texts or emails. He thinks I am at fault too for being bossy and irritable.
Just forget him, he will never change.
No he wont change thats why I finished with him, I dont mind the 'snittines/spite' so much as the constant pushing me to give more than I can.
Im someone who is most happy if I saw him just on weekends and just texted (I hate phonecalls). Where as he wants to live with me and be pressed right up against me all the time and be with me all the time and when I 'put my foot down' and make him go home he wants to talk on the phone or email lots, which I find over whelming and stressmaking. I feel a relief to being on my own a freedom and calmness, I dont like ruining that by emailing and talking on the phone. I dont think he will ever be happy with the amount of me I am prepared to give and he will always make me stressed by wanting more and I will always make him feel messed about and rejected.
I do love him though, lots.
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thats just how he is, he was spiteful from the begining. He knows he is spiteful and tries not to be, mostly he does it after ruminating on what a cow I am, he will then send spiteful texts or emails. He thinks I am at fault too for being bossy and irritable.
Just forget him, he will never change.
For once, I think I'll have to agree with Lonermutant. People almost always have very great difficulties to change negative behavior. It's probably not worth your trouble.
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thats just how he is, he was spiteful from the begining. He knows he is spiteful and tries not to be, mostly he does it after ruminating on what a cow I am, he will then send spiteful texts or emails. He thinks I am at fault too for being bossy and irritable.
Just forget him, he will never change.
For once, I think I'll have to agree with Lonermutant. People almost always have very great difficulties to change negative behavior. It's probably not worth your trouble.
I dont think its about changeing behaviour though, I think its about being able to cope/accept someone having a different 'style'.
Both of us have people we know who do not see us in this light. He veiws me as grumpy and bossy, but other people just view me as interesting and passionate. I view him as snitty and smothering but other people think of him as nice and friendly. So its mainly our inability to tollerate anothers different way of interacting with the world. Or accepting/coping with anothers differing needs.
I especially with my poor theory of mind find it very hard to cope with someone not being me, I really struggle and get stressed trying to think what would make someone else happy or what they would mind or not mind, especially if they are very different to me.
I'd agree with you - it's not necessarily about trying to change each other, that's always a bad idea. But accepting each other as you are might still be possible, if both of you are committed to trying to do that.
If you both want to try and continue with the relationship, then I reckon communication is the key. You have to be able to tell him why you need what you need, and he has to be able to do the same. I've started to find that this a lot easier in writing than in verbal discussion. It's a shame you can't see a couples counsellor, but if you can't then you can still work with each other constructively. 90% of all relationship problems are due to misunderstanding and insufficient communication, I reckon. One partner behaves a certain way, the other one doesn't understand why, but no discussion is made of it, and so the other partner starts to develop theories that aren't necessarily true as to what the behaviour is about, etc. So if you can really start talking to each other about what's going on, without judging each other, you might start to be able to reach a level of acceptance.
As I always say when I post on relationship topics though, I don't have a ton of practical experience myself!! ! But I've definitely been in the situation I described above, more than once.
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Both of us have people we know who do not see us in this light. He veiws me as grumpy and bossy, but other people just view me as interesting and passionate. I view him as snitty and smothering but other people think of him as nice and friendly. So its mainly our inability to tollerate anothers different way of interacting with the world. Or accepting/coping with anothers differing needs.
I especially with my poor theory of mind find it very hard to cope with someone not being me, I really struggle and get stressed trying to think what would make someone else happy or what they would mind or not mind, especially if they are very different to me.
Maybe you're right or maybe you're making excuses. Maybe, instead of settling, you should hold out for someone who's more compatible and less abusive.
My theory of mind can be pretty poor too if I'm not thinking about it, but with the help and support of people who responded to me with understanding rather than spite, I've improved quite a bit.
I think you need to hold out for a better guy.
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We get addicted to the endorphins that bubble up when we are in a relationship with someone. At some point we forget that those feelings reside in ourselves, and not coming from the person that we are in a relationship with. But we see that other person as the source of those feelings and no matter how horrible the actual relationship is, we want to cling to what we see as the source of those fuzzy wonderful endorphins.
But they are not the source. You are the source. I agree with LonerMutant, Get yourself another boyfriend. Those endorphins will bubble up again and you might not have to wade through all that idiocy just to feel you are loved.
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Yeah that might work... if she knows a guy like that who is willing to be her boyfriend...
Yeah that might work... if she knows a guy like that who is willing to be her boyfriend...
yes ToS, He is the first person to meet my high standards of similar interests and values, who I fancy and reciprocates interest ever! Ive not met someone like him before and Im unlikely to again. And Im sure if i did meet someone with all the positives and no faults, I would still be annoyed by them and find fault.
If you both want to try and continue with the relationship, then I reckon communication is the key. You have to be able to tell him why you need what you need, and he has to be able to do the same. I've started to find that this a lot easier in writing than in verbal discussion. It's a shame you can't see a couples counsellor, but if you can't then you can still work with each other constructively. 90% of all relationship problems are due to misunderstanding and insufficient communication, I reckon. One partner behaves a certain way, the other one doesn't understand why, but no discussion is made of it, and so the other partner starts to develop theories that aren't necessarily true as to what the behaviour is about, etc. So if you can really start talking to each other about what's going on, without judging each other, you might start to be able to reach a level of acceptance.
As I always say when I post on relationship topics though, I don't have a ton of practical experience myself!! ! But I've definitely been in the situation I described above, more than once.
yes we both have big communication problems, both having AS. We also both find it hard to talk about our feelings and wants/needs. I am better perhaps at expressing what I want. The trouble is Tom says he understands and agrees to do things my way and then doesnt really like it and behaves 'snittyly'. Its very hard to get out of him what he really feels, he will send a mean text or email complaining about me but then when i confront him on it he will just appologise and say he was mean and deny thinking/feeling those things. This makes it very hard to move forward as I dont beleive he is being mean when he says those things I think he really means them, I think he denys them because he does not want to be finnished with. Haveing AS makes it very hard to tell the truth from the lies.
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Yeah that might work... if she knows a guy like that who is willing to be her boyfriend...
yes ToS, He is the first person to meet my high standards of similar interests and values, who I fancy and reciprocates interest ever! Ive not met someone like him before and Im unlikely to again. And Im sure if i did meet someone with all the positives and no faults, I would still be annoyed by them and find fault.
But isn't it extremely frustrating and disappointing to find that even this level of similarity doesn't guarantee a good relationship? I'm afraid I'd never recover from such a thing.
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Both of us have people we know who do not see us in this light. He veiws me as grumpy and bossy, but other people just view me as interesting and passionate. I view him as snitty and smothering but other people think of him as nice and friendly. So its mainly our inability to tollerate anothers different way of interacting with the world. Or accepting/coping with anothers differing needs.
I especially with my poor theory of mind find it very hard to cope with someone not being me, I really struggle and get stressed trying to think what would make someone else happy or what they would mind or not mind, especially if they are very different to me.
Maybe you're right or maybe you're making excuses. Maybe, instead of settling, you should hold out for someone who's more compatible and less abusive.
My theory of mind can be pretty poor too if I'm not thinking about it, but with the help and support of people who responded to me with understanding rather than spite, I've improved quite a bit.
I think you need to hold out for a better guy.
I dont think he is abusive, I think I probably portray him more negatively than he is as I am cross with him.
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