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05 Mar 2010, 8:05 am

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I don't know much about the Osmonds. The young man who died was Marie's adopted son. I can never understand why celebrities want to take their own lives when they have fame and money. I was telling this to mom. Marie is rich and popular. Why was her son so sad then? There are plenty of young people whose parents aren't working right now because of bad economy. I think about that. :(


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05 Mar 2010, 8:18 am

Money and fame seldom equate to happiness. They neither make you happy nor make you un-happy. Your emotional life is your own. A total lack of money and it's ability to give you a way of life can go a long way to making your life more difficult. But people can find happiness even in that situation.


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05 Mar 2010, 3:01 pm

luvsterriers wrote:
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I don't know much about the Osmonds. The young man who died was Marie's adopted son. I can never understand why celebrities want to take their own lives when they have fame and money.


He wasn't a celebrity, his adoptive mother is. Its probably very easy to feel worthless, meaningless and unloved when your birth parents give you up, and the mother who adopts you is always off singing in Vegas or Dancing With the Stars. I'm not blaming Marie who seems like a perfectly nice human being, just saying that you can't know what's been going on in the heart and mind of a stranger.

And what on Earth has money or celebrity got to do with happiness? Just because people know your name doesn't mean you're automatically fulfilled and complete inside. Just ask Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Lenny Bruce, Freddie Prinze, Richard Jenny, Hunter Thompson, Wendy O Williams, Kurt Cobain or Sylvia Plath...except you can't, because they're all dead of suicide or drug overdose (which is ultimately the same thing) - all of them were famous, some considered geniuses, but that didn't mean they were automatically happy.

Sometimes people have extreme emotional reactions to distressing situations - there's no guessing how many people have ended their lives over failed romance alone. Then there are simply chemical imbalances in the brain, which can leave a person despondent over everything in their lives and being alive in general. You can't know for sure what kind of pain drives a person to the final solution unless you've been in their head and experienced it. I do think that for some sensitive souls life itself becomes so excruciating that the end of life no longer seems like a tragedy or a loss, but an escape from agony.



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05 Mar 2010, 3:04 pm

Hard to live up to fame and fortune especially if you're a family member of it.

Just look at the family patterns of the famous Barrymores....


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05 Mar 2010, 5:08 pm

There's some speculation that he (the man who committed suicide) was gay and his depression was due to the Mormons' demonizing of gay people.



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06 Mar 2010, 2:16 pm

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There's some speculation that he (the man who committed suicide) was gay and his depression was due to the Mormons' demonizing of gay people.



That might be so, but short of a suicide note that specifically says that, I would remain skeptical, as that has the ring of a rumor started to service a third party's political agenda. No news item I can find confirms or even hints at any issue of sexuality. In fact, one quote actually makes him sound more like another depressed Aspie:

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He left a note explaining he intended to commit suicide due to his life-long battle with severe depression that left him, he said, feeling as if he had no friends and could never fit in.



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07 Mar 2010, 12:59 am

That's very sad news. :cry:


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08 Mar 2010, 6:06 pm

Willard wrote:
Descartes wrote:
There's some speculation that he (the man who committed suicide) was gay and his depression was due to the Mormons' demonizing of gay people.



That might be so, but short of a suicide note that specifically says that, I would remain skeptical, as that has the ring of a rumor started to service a third party's political agenda. No news item I can find confirms or even hints at any issue of sexuality. In fact, one quote actually makes him sound more like another depressed Aspie:

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He left a note explaining he intended to commit suicide due to his life-long battle with severe depression that left him, he said, feeling as if he had no friends and could never fit in.


I also don't believe the rumor that he was gay, as Roseanne Barr who said that recently retracted that statement. It's possible that he could have been another depressed Aspie, and the Mormon church is a very social group even outside of church, so if one has a problem trying to fit in with a group, it's a difficult church to be a part of, even for a heterosexual.


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08 Mar 2010, 8:03 pm

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09 Mar 2010, 4:52 am

Descartes30 wrote:
Money and fame seldom equate to happiness. They neither make you happy nor make you un-happy. Your emotional life is your own. A total lack of money and it's ability to give you a way of life can go a long way to making your life more difficult. But people can find happiness even in that situation.


Depression is uncorrelated to wealth or social status. Serotonin re-uptake is endogenous and is probably related to ones genetic makeup, not one's social standing. A significant portion of the human race is neurotic and mentally dysfunctional. Bad genes, bad diet and lack of exercise is behind some of this.

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