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What are your political views?
Socialism 11%  11%  [ 8 ]
Communism 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
Moderate Libertarian 14%  14%  [ 11 ]
Very Libertarian 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
Moderate-Liberal 14%  14%  [ 11 ]
Very Liberal 11%  11%  [ 8 ]
Moderate-Conservative 7%  7%  [ 5 ]
Very Conservative 7%  7%  [ 5 ]
Anarchy 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
Moderate / Independent 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
Undecided 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
Other 12%  12%  [ 9 ]
Total votes : 76

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24 Mar 2010, 6:35 pm

Are you a social democrat or a social liberal do you think? You definitely seem quite left-wing.



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24 Mar 2010, 8:41 pm

If you're going to restate something, please do -not- leave the quote as attributed to someone else. That's poor form, whether in debate or discussion. I have amended that post to reflect the author of the changes to the original. If you have questions, feel free to PM me.


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24 Mar 2010, 9:52 pm

Tequila wrote:
Are you a social democrat or a social liberal do you think? You definitely seem quite left-wing.


Social Democrat.



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24 Mar 2010, 10:28 pm

Wow, us moderate libertarians are in the plurality!



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25 Mar 2010, 12:36 am

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i am blind politically and i do not have a political guide dog.
so i have no political view


what happens then when a pol or party says and/or does something to p!ss you off? something that directly or indirectly cramps your lifestyle? what if a particular political party does something which hurts you somewhere, either in your wallet or elsewhere? these concerns are the roots of having a political preference.



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25 Mar 2010, 2:21 am

Somewhere in the center? =/ -shrug-



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25 Mar 2010, 2:29 am

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Politicians with similar political views. Dwight Eisenhower, Truman, FDR as well as most New Dealers, Abraham Lincoin as well as Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson was probably much more pro-market than you. Thomas Paine would be a better example of a Founding Father with views similar to yours.


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25 Mar 2010, 3:18 am

My political views are Imperialistic. In fact I often send a fleet of interstellar battlecruisers, carriers, dreadnoughts, and support frigates to conquer solar systems, bombard enemy planets, and colonize them. I don't care if there is a lot of anti-imperialistic propaganda from the 1970's (in the modern era that is) onward, and movies like Avatar and Outlander, Romulans are still awesome!! !



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25 Mar 2010, 4:17 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
My political views are Imperialistic. In fact I often send a fleet of interstellar battlecruisers, carriers, dreadnoughts, and support frigates to conquer solar systems, bombard enemy planets, and colonize them. I don't care if there is a lot of anti-imperialistic propaganda from the 1970's (in the modern era that is) onward, and movies like Avatar and Outlander, Romulans are still awesome!! !


Watch out for vampires.



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25 Mar 2010, 4:48 am

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
My political views are Imperialistic. In fact I often send a fleet of interstellar battlecruisers, carriers, dreadnoughts, and support frigates to conquer solar systems, bombard enemy planets, and colonize them. I don't care if there is a lot of anti-imperialistic propaganda from the 1970's (in the modern era that is) onward, and movies like Avatar and Outlander, Romulans are still awesome!! !


Watch out for vampires.


Hey, you don't need to threaten about going batty.



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25 Mar 2010, 6:02 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
My political views are Imperialistic. In fact I often send a fleet of interstellar battlecruisers, carriers, dreadnoughts, and support frigates to conquer solar systems, bombard enemy planets, and colonize them. I don't care if there is a lot of anti-imperialistic propaganda from the 1970's (in the modern era that is) onward, and movies like Avatar and Outlander, Romulans are still awesome!! !


Watch out for vampires.


Hey, you don't need to threaten about going batty.


Why should I bother?



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25 Mar 2010, 6:21 am

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
My political views are Imperialistic. In fact I often send a fleet of interstellar battlecruisers, carriers, dreadnoughts, and support frigates to conquer solar systems, bombard enemy planets, and colonize them. I don't care if there is a lot of anti-imperialistic propaganda from the 1970's (in the modern era that is) onward, and movies like Avatar and Outlander, Romulans are still awesome!! !


Watch out for vampires.


Hey, you don't need to threaten about going batty.


Why should I bother?


Equidem.



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25 Mar 2010, 8:48 am

auntblabby wrote:
b9 wrote:
i am blind politically and i do not have a political guide dog.
so i have no political view


what happens then when a pol or party says and/or does something to p!ss you off? something that directly or indirectly cramps your lifestyle? what if a particular political party does something which hurts you somewhere, either in your wallet or elsewhere? these concerns are the roots of having a political preference.


i do not know how to answer.
i do not know what the philosophies of the various political persuasions are because i have never been interested in politics.

if a government does something that i do not like, i just think poorly of the individuals in the cabinet rather than considering the political persuasion that the government represents.

i am one voice in millions and my disgruntlement is like a gnat flying in a swarm of locusts.
even if the locusts are all flying in my direction, i am insignificant because my contribution to any group protest is not going to be integral to their unified force.

even if i am annoyed about a circumstance, and many hundreds of thousands of other people are also annoyed, i can not join into their protest because i do not care about whether they are annoyed or not.
i am not a "team player" and i can not "join forces" or integrate into a movement, so any action by me is going to be isolated and peculiar.

i just cop whatever is the source of my displeasure and i am not fervent in any way philosophically.

i am usually at odds with the desires of the majority.

if interest rates go down i am displeased because i owe nothing and i have large savings, but the bulk of society who owes money are pleased.

i eventually get used to the reduction in the monthly interest payed to me and i go back to a state of complacency.

i am annoyed that because i earn more than $75000 p.a i have to pay more than $7,000 p.a for medical expenses before i get any rebate from the government, whereas people who earn less than $75,000 get rebates on any medical expense. i cop it because i can do nothing because i am in the minority.

i am annoyed that i have to pay 40% in tax for every dollar over $75000 for roads and public transport and hospitals and education when i rarely drive and i never use public transport and i do not get sick and i have no kids. i use nothing that i pay taxes for, and most people do use the things they pay taxes for.
i cop it.

i know the response to me will be something like "if everyone was like you, life would be very hard because no one would object", but there one goes.

i do ok despite the things i am annoyed about when i think about them.
no need to reply because you are involved in much higher level discussion in this thread.
i just felt i should grace your comments with my answer.



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26 Mar 2010, 9:39 pm

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Sand wrote:
I wonder what this effort is to determine political, religious views is all about? What are your views on high heel shoes, motorcycles, baked beans, Mickey Mouse, broccoli, the tuba as a creative instrument and what will happen to marshmallows exposed to high vacuum and intense solar radiation?

High heel shoes: I don't see the point, they make women uncomfortable without making them any more attractive (that is presumably the purpose?)
Motorcycles: I do not trust my reflexes, coordination, and depth perception enough to attempt to use one
Baked beans: smelly
Mickey Mouse: That high-pitched voice gets on my nerves
Broccoli: Good when it's cooked properly, disgusting raw
Tuba: I'm a fan, but probably biased as I play the tuba
Marshmallows: I dunno, but I don't think the answer would be quite so interesting. Marshmallows are much better at the end of a stick over a campfire than in a vacuum.


I'll have to agree with you on High Heel Shoes, motorcycles, & Mickey Mouse.

Baked Beans: I'm indifferent to them.
Broccoli: Detested it as a naive child but recognize it as a neccessary evil for the greater bodily good of health.
Tuba: Indifferent - I've never played a musical instrument except a recorder in Grade Six.
Marshmallows: An act of bourgeoisie decadence I permit myself.

I wish more people hated Micky Mouse.

High Heel Shoes are the Marie Antoinette hats of this day: useless grand and excessive with little functionality.



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27 Mar 2010, 11:11 am

I selected 'moderate libertarian'. I'm extremely libertarian on 'social'* issues - I think prostitution, guns, 'hate speech', all kinds of drugs, etc, should be legal. With regard to the economy, I'm more or less socialist, but although I think government intervention is probably necessary at the moment, I wonder if it will remain that way even in the relatively near future. I like to believe that society will soon change such that government is no longer needed. I suppose that puts me as a philosophical anarchist, so maybe I should have selected 'anarchy', but that option wouldn't have conveyed my beliefs about what the political situation should look like at the moment, which is what I consider relevant.

* I don't really go in for the idea that there is a difference between social, economic, environmental, etc, issues, but I still tend to use those terms anyway - most people generally know what they loosely refer to.



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27 Mar 2010, 11:15 am

b9 wrote:

if interest rates go down i am displeased because i owe nothing and i have large savings, but the bulk of society who owes money are pleased.

i eventually get used to the reduction in the monthly interest payed to me and i go back to a state of complacency.

i am annoyed that because i earn more than $75000 p.a i have to pay more than $7,000 p.a for medical expenses before i get any rebate from the government, whereas people who earn less than $75,000 get rebates on any medical expense. i cop it because i can do nothing because i am in the minority.

i am annoyed that i have to pay 40% in tax for every dollar over $75000 for roads and public transport and hospitals and education when i rarely drive and i never use public transport and i do not get sick and i have no kids. i use nothing that i pay taxes for, and most people do use the things they pay taxes for.
i cop it.

i know the response to me will be something like "if everyone was like you, life would be very hard because no one would object", but there one goes.

i do ok despite the things i am annoyed about when i think about them.
no need to reply because you are involved in much higher level discussion in this thread.
i just felt i should grace your comments with my answer.


We are similarly situated, b9, except I take a different view about fiscal and monetary policy.

I rarely drive, I take public transit, for which I pay (but which is also subsidized from the public purse). I do not, however, object to paying for infrastructure, because this is the foundation on which economic productivity is based, and without that productivity, I don't have a job.

I pay taxes for schools even though my partner and I have no children. I do not object, because the education of children (and adults) is the strongest, single driver in improving economic productivity.

I pay taxes for health care, because although I am healthy now, that will not always be the case. I would rather subsidize someone else's care today, knowing that I will be cared for in the future.

I object to my Government's cutbacks on mental health and social services, because I think there is a very real connection between those cuts and an increase in property crime. My tax rate is less than it was 8 years ago, but I think that others are paying for it (I have been the victim of only one property crime, involving stealing items from my car).

In the end, I am a moderate liberal. I believe in the role of the State, but I understand the need for there to be clear limits on the extent of the State's participation in the economy.


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