Fast Intelligence versus Slow Intelligence

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20 Mar 2011, 6:06 pm

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Fairly simple statement. Intelligence is the act if solving a problem. At the end of the day, we judge what something is by it's affect on the world.


And that's still just your arbitary definition. Again, you haven't supported your assertion that this is the "correct" definition of intelligence, nor do I see why the speed with which one manages to complete an IQ test has any bearing on their problem-solving ability.

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No one knows what Gravity exactly is, but we can measure it in geforce. Thus we view gravity, something that emits no viable light, by a falling object.


Not comparible to "intelligence." The effects of gravity are the same no matter who is doing the measuring and will most likely behave according to observed principles. What is considered "problem solving" will vary between cultures and individuals; therefore, not much of a standard to go by. Most cultures and people cannot even agree as to what constitutes a "problem."

Gravity is an objective property of the universe. "Intelligence" is a human-invented description applied to various people based on cultural values and personal preference.

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... ok I read the rest of your post XFilesGeek, as far as I can tell you've basically said:

"I don't know what intelligence is, I just know you're wrong."

To which, I'll keep it simple. If you don't know what intelligence is, how do you know I'm wrong?


That's not what I said.

I said that you presented an arbitrary definition of "intelligence," declared that your's is the "correct" definition, and then deemed that anyone who meets the criteria for your particular version is "smarter" than anyone who doesn't.

Feel free to provide me with a reason that your definition is "correct," otherwise, it's no more "correct" than any other hypothesis of what constitutes "intelligence." If you make a claim, the onus is on you to provide the supporting evidence. So far, your argument seems to be, "This is intelligence because I say so."

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I'm assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) that you consider AS (which I assume to be Asperger Syndrome) to be a learning disability?


No, I don't.


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20 Mar 2011, 6:16 pm

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Yeah I tried to try harder most of my life, it might be why I am so burnt out now......because I spent most of my childhood trying to be more social and be more normal and all of that. I mean I was always 'working on' some flaw of mine it was ridiculous. But yeah there are some things no amount of effort or practice will help.......I mean I can't just up and make my brain process things quicker if thats not how my thought process works. but the thing people don't realise is the reason for that is the fact that I always have a lot of things going through my mind.......its not a lack of intelligence that causes me to respond slowly its more like I am distracted by everything going on internally.


One thing I've noticed is that many people don't seem to consider the brain as a physical organ with physical properties.

Granted, it's a mysterious organ that scientists are still trying to figure out, but it's still beholden to the laws that govern all of our other body parts. I can't make a severed limb grow back through "practice" and sheer force of will, can I? No. So, if my brain lacks certain connections, or becomes injured, or is simply organized in a way contrary to what society values, I can't just snap my fingers and force my very physical brain into a new shape.

Anyway, as I've said before, I'm good at many things and bad at many things. Like most people. I have little inclination to tear down the mountains just to fill up the valleys, especially when my only motivation is that some people in my society don't appreciate my talents. "Society" can go pound sand. :wink:


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20 Mar 2011, 6:34 pm

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especially when my only motivation is that some people in my society don't appreciate my talents.


Defeatism, and vanity. Why should other people appreciate your talents? Learn to be happy, knowing you did your best. Performing like a chimp, failing to get praise, then cursing society for your own feelings is where most people seem to go wrong here.

I do a job, for the satisfaction of a job well done. I've completed dozens of projects, 80% of which were failures, just makes the mediocre successes and single big success all the more worth it when they turned up.

If you think negative, then you're self defeating from the start. If you think positive, and you still fail, at least you're happier then you would have been.

Remember you're one person among billions, who much do you really expect to stand out anyway?



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20 Mar 2011, 7:39 pm

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especially when my only motivation is that some people in my society don't appreciate my talents.


Defeatism, and vanity. Why should other people appreciate your talents? Learn to be happy, knowing you did your best. Performing like a chimp, failing to get praise, then cursing society for your own feelings is where most people seem to go wrong here.

I do a job, for the satisfaction of a job well done. I've completed dozens of projects, 80% of which were failures, just makes the mediocre successes and single big success all the more worth it when they turned up.

If you think negative, then you're self defeating from the start. If you think positive, and you still fail, at least you're happier then you would have been.

Remember you're one person among billions, who much do you really expect to stand out anyway?


Its hardly that simple, I mean I can be as positive as I want but I still feel the same.



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Intelligence, in it's most basic form. Is the ability to problem solve. The faster you can problem solve, the more intelligent you are. The more types of problems you can solve, the better you are.


silly, rude, arrogant and ridiculous person.

There may be some harder problems that the faster one can never solve even given a century of time, whereas the usually slower one will still be able to solve.


Someone may have a lower crystallized intelligence (knowledge) due to absorbing information at a slowish speed, but may have a high fluid intelligence (ability to make patterns and connections).
The person who is 'fast' may be able to read and generally absorb information very quickly and therefore have a lot of knowledge, whereas someone who is seen as 'slow' may be, with much less information at their disposal, to make connections that the fast one would NEVER be able to.


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM :p

Yeah I know this is an old thread, but I randomly got here, and He annoyed me throughout the thread.