Brainwashing Children, Child Mind Control, School of Shock

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06 Aug 2010, 5:24 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCWuPxtIcS4&feature=fvw[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js2hNr2adZ0&feature=watch_response[/youtube]


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06 Aug 2010, 5:31 pm

wtf I wouldn't even use this on my dog


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06 Aug 2010, 5:50 pm

How many threads on this do we have now? It might be better if you posted this on the other thread about the exact same topic.


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06 Aug 2010, 7:48 pm

How can they legally do this? Just for owning an electroshock weapon in Massachusetts you can spend two years in prison. This school is like a modern day Nazi concentration camp for children. They can't legally shock terrorists, murderers, and pimps, but they can shock children. Some slaves weren't even treated this badly. The existence of this school proves that there are American terrorists. How can the government let a school this sickening and outraging exist? Anyone in the government who is too cowardly or too cruel to stand up for the rights of these children doesn't deserve to be in office. We have soldiers fighting against this type of thing in other countries. To let this school continue to exist is disrespecting every soldier who has ever died to protect our rights. To every citizen of this world who believes in human rights I encourage you to stand up and fight this as if it were a Nazi concentration camp.



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06 Aug 2010, 9:58 pm

This is CHILD ABUSE. Any parents who WANT this done to their kids are seriously screwed up and don't deserve to be parents. :evil:


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07 Aug 2010, 5:09 am

conundrum wrote:
This is CHILD ABUSE. Any parents who WANT this done to their kids are seriously screwed up and don't deserve to be parents. :evil:



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18 Aug 2010, 7:31 pm

I smell a lawsuit brewing. If these kids need a lawyer to sue the clothes off these psycho's I happen to know quite a few who could take this case on.



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18 Aug 2010, 7:36 pm

I don't have the attention span, to watch 20 minute videos.


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25 Aug 2010, 2:30 pm

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: Why would anyone have any good reason to SHOCK a child! They're KIDS, not criminals! I'm not watching the video. If I did, I'd probably scream my head off. Why are they doing this? Because they are different? Because they see the world in their own kind of way? Because they are doing minor things? They should fire the person who invented this from his job and lock him in jail, because there is NO WAY that ANYONE will take their kids to that place. :evil:



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25 Aug 2010, 3:24 pm

Kind of sick isn't it. Yet a lot of people seem to support this school.



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25 Aug 2010, 8:27 pm

KissOfMarmaladeSky wrote:
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: Why would anyone have any good reason to SHOCK a child! They're KIDS, not criminals! I'm not watching the video. If I did, I'd probably scream my head off. Why are they doing this? Because they are different? Because they see the world in their own kind of way? Because they are doing minor things? They should fire the person who invented this from his job and lock him in jail, because there is NO WAY that ANYONE will take their kids to that place. :evil:


That was my reaction.. but after doing some actual research. I'm.. now officially conflicted. Kids who end up in that program have already gone through the gauntlet of treatments. And it's not kids that are just spacy, or have trouble communicating. These are the children who are extremely VIOLENT. They go in pulling their own hair out, biting off chunks of their own toung, slamming into walls. These kids arn't being put into this program lightly. It's a last, last resort.

So yeah, I'm conflicted.. cause I hate it too...It makes my stomach churn. But I'm not sure how to resolve the ethics of what you do when the options are having them be drugged into a stupor with dangerous life threatening drugs, being shocked an average of once a week (although sometimes more, much more), being constantly and permanently restrained or being allowed to hurt themselves on a daily basis.



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26 Aug 2010, 3:03 pm

ducky9924 wrote:
KissOfMarmaladeSky wrote:
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: Why would anyone have any good reason to SHOCK a child! They're KIDS, not criminals! I'm not watching the video. If I did, I'd probably scream my head off. Why are they doing this? Because they are different? Because they see the world in their own kind of way? Because they are doing minor things? They should fire the person who invented this from his job and lock him in jail, because there is NO WAY that ANYONE will take their kids to that place. :evil:


That was my reaction.. but after doing some actual research. I'm.. now officially conflicted. Kids who end up in that program have already gone through the gauntlet of treatments. And it's not kids that are just spacy, or have trouble communicating. These are the children who are extremely VIOLENT. They go in pulling their own hair out, biting off chunks of their own toung, slamming into walls. These kids arn't being put into this program lightly. It's a last, last resort.


No, those are only their worst cases. More than fifty percent of the students have are so-called "high functioning" and have not had a history of violent or self-injurious behaviour. Yet, there are reports that they not only get the shocks as well, even for minor things, but that it is their primary form of "treatment".

ducky9924 wrote:
So yeah, I'm conflicted.. cause I hate it too...It makes my stomach churn. But I'm not sure how to resolve the ethics of what you do when the options are having them be drugged into a stupor with dangerous life threatening drugs, being shocked an average of once a week (although sometimes more, much more), being constantly and permanently restrained or being allowed to hurt themselves on a daily basis.


Some psychiatrists suggest that finding the root cause of the behaviours are better, such as functional analysis. Additionally, the electric shock is not that effective anyway because those kids can become accustomed to the pain. A man by the name of Dr. Lovaas used to use electro-shock aversive therapy on severely autistic children more than 20 years ago and published one or two papers with Dr. Israel. Dr. Lovaas abandoned the use of electric shocks because he found that it doesn't work in the long term because the kids become used to the pain and then just continue their behaviour, while Dr Israel just decided to increase the strength of the devices more and more. The electro-shock does not address root causes of the behaviour and the alternative is far more humane.

References:

http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08/school-shock

http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08/experts-self-injurious-kids-challenge-dr-israels-methods

http://nospank.net/jrc.pdf