12 Aug 2010, 7:53 am
12 Aug 2010, 7:53 am
Yes, I have anger issues. 
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12 Aug 2010, 8:49 am
12 Aug 2010, 8:55 am
mechanicalgirl39 wrote:
http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/beauty/good-looks-kill-womens-job-chances-study-article-gf08.html#mwpphu-container
So much for the idea that women have it easy because all they have to do is look pretty.
So much for the idea that women have it easy because all they have to do is look pretty.
Researchers found that good-looking women were unlikely to be hired when they applied for jobs considered masculine -- like construction supervisor, prison guard, car salesperson or tow truck driver --
If you really look at what they say, it's unattractive men who should be REALLY angry about this, look:
Men, on the other hand, face no such beauty-barrier: good-looking men always have an advantage over less good-looking men seeking work, regardless of whether the job they are after is a seen as masculine or feminine.
So discrimination based on looks applies to women in SOME jobs, but to men in ALL jobs
Just because it's harder in some areas doesn't discount the many privileges that physically attractive men and women get in most other areas of life. All forms of "Lookism" really should be stamped out like all the other -isms. And don't forget, they used to say racism and sexism were 'natural', too.CockneyRebel wrote:
I think that guys should try looking pretty, for a week, to see what most women go through.
If it's such a big deal, it;s a lot easier for a 'pretty' person to hide it and downplay their looks than it is an ugly person to suddenly appear attractive. I've never yet heard of anyone having plastic surgery to make themselves look worse, which surely they would if it's such a life ruining problem?
Would any pretty woman trade her looks for a job as a lorry driver or prison guard? Of course not, it's all just crocodile tears. 
Last edited by ManErg on 12 Aug 2010, 9:42 am, edited 2 times in total.
12 Aug 2010, 9:10 am
Yeah so since I'm ugly, I can get any job I want? This confuses me. I thought it would be my qualifications listed on my resume that would get me my job. 
12 Aug 2010, 10:00 am
12 Aug 2010, 1:30 pm
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Researchers found that good-looking women were unlikely to be hired when they applied for jobs considered masculine -- like construction supervisor, prison guard, car salesperson or tow truck driver --
I can't say I've ever seen women who were obsessed with their hair, nails and makeup lining up for jobs like that to begin with. Has Julia Roberts expressed an interest in working at a slaughterhouse?
I can say though, having been in management positions and having to hire and fire, I never considered an applicant's physical attractiveness as a qualification (though bad hygiene would rule,them out), I was only concerned whether they could do the job.
What I did find in actual practice, once they were on the job was that the exceptionally attractive (generally younger) girls were much more likely to be slackers - they did seem to think that because they were cute they could get away with doing less and get a lot more leeway when it came to bending rules. Depending on the manager supervising them, unfortunately that was often true.
12 Aug 2010, 2:24 pm
12 Aug 2010, 5:01 pm
12 Aug 2010, 6:22 pm
mechanicalgirl39 wrote:
Even very pretty women can probably look masculine if they wear the right clothes and alter their body language.
The *wrong* clothes, surely?
Basically the study says: "Women are less likely to be considered for masculine jobs". What will these mega-brains discover next? That "Men are less likely to be considered for midwives, nursery school teachers, PA's and beauty technicians"?
12 Aug 2010, 7:34 pm
13 Aug 2010, 8:11 am
MissConstrue wrote:
I guess this is why I can't get a job.
Why? Are you pretty?
13 Aug 2010, 8:49 am
ManErg wrote:
mechanicalgirl39 wrote:
Even very pretty women can probably look masculine if they wear the right clothes and alter their body language.
The *wrong* clothes, surely?
Basically the study says: "Women are less likely to be considered for masculine jobs". What will these mega-brains discover next? That "Men are less likely to be considered for midwives, nursery school teachers, PA's and beauty technicians"?
don't forget baristas
i can't even remember the last time i saw a guy working at a coffee stand. Seems like the only people they employ these days are pretty young women.
a guy just can't cut a break in the coffee-making industry
it seems alot of customer service/retail jobs, etc. tend to lean toward hiring women, also.
prolly because market research studies have shown that attractive women are better at selling stuff than men. & companies have taken that to heart.
Also i've been to more than one fast food place that only hired women. Usually the reason was that there'd be some perverted middle-aged dude as the hiring manager, and he'd like to surround himself at work with pretty girls and thus when guys applied, they had no chance unless they were like one of his buddies.
13 Aug 2010, 12:33 pm
13 Aug 2010, 12:37 pm
13 Aug 2010, 4:00 pm
Erisad wrote:
Sholf wrote:
Seanmw wrote:
it seems alot of customer service/retail jobs, etc. tend to lean toward hiring women
This is why I hate job hunting. If I walk into a retail store, they are always going to want to hire me on as a cashier, instead of letting me do stocking or washing up...they force me to handle customers nicely, and it always turns into me quitting in frustration or the theater lobby scene from Ghostworld. I can handle flyering or canvassing, because I work off a script, but "providing excellent customer service" is not something I can do, at least the way they want me to do it.
I hate being a cashier too. My favorite days working at the dollar store would be when I was unloading truck and stocking shelves. Got my exercise in and I didn't have to be the sweet, uber-smiley cashier that I usually was. Of course, it was during one of these shifts that a 50-year-old Cuban man began to stalk me. D:
It's just as bad (if not worse) with waitressing. I only had to do this job twice but those few hours were hell. If the kitchen screws up the order, the customer berates you for the mistake. And more than one customer groaned because I was the "ugly" waitress. Combine that with not coming across well to people instantly and I got one dollar tips at most.
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