A quick quote from Jefferson

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The word "hate" may not have been exactly right, but the strength of the term has little to do with the point I making.

On a side note, talking about "distinctive American culture developed in the 1800's and 1900's," I would suggest that a recent immigrant, from an article I recently read, may actually embody it better than any of us. If I remember all the details correctly, he is 75 years old, from the Philippines, and recently received his citizenship. Being selected, in fact, to lead the oath. When he finished his citizenship interview, and was told he would get his American citizenship, he was so excited he asked the agent if he play a few songs on his harmonica. She said yes, and he went through all the patriotic classics, to the delight of the whole office. He continues to work full time and draws no social security. Now THAT is American spirit.

Shame that those who would define being an American by skin color would assume they embody it better than he does.

I think it's time to stop debating on this topic. If there is something positive to post, go for it, but there isn't much point in continuing to go point and counter-point; it's just tearing at people at this point and I'm rather sorry to have inadvertently contributed to it.

^ Fine.................. I feel differently about all of this though

I feel no need to restate anything.......... I already explained how I felt that since the Irish, English, Germans, etc, were all white people(s), that would make eventual integration more natural than that between whites and incoming non-whites. I hope it doesn't happen anyway to preserve the uniqueness of both whites and various non-white cultures. I'd rather see everyone's culture preserved than just one beige mass with the same pop-culture. I see nothing natural or desireable about diversity or the projected outcome of a multicultural/brown-uniracial society.

I'm glad though, honestly, that all of you with a couple exceptions are apparently happy and well-adjusted to diversity and have had positive experiences with multiculturalism. I'm glad for you that you are able to embrace your fates for better or worse.

Diversity was the dominant culture I was raised in. Having AS, I feel that my natural instinct was to revolt against that diverse instant-gratification culture. I saw diversity as superficial, destructive, and violent, and many other negative superlatives.

It seems though that many of you are in some sort of reaction against what you perceive as "the white conservative racist establishment." Honestly, I see diversity, multiculturalism, the liberal media and schools, as being the catalyst for conformity in the country, and those that resist these pressures as the ones fighting for their independence. I can see where you are coming from about resisting right-wingers as well though. I think there is a truth and legitimacy to both sides TBH. It seems sometimes like a few leftists on this forum can be insulting and overbearing in how they present their arguements, and demand acceptance of their ethos from those that disagree.................It seems like dissenters are just ovewhelmed with massive point-counterpoint block-quote posts based on lots of superficial fine-print differences until the whole debate just becomes an infinite back-and-forth kind of thing with no real meaning anymore.......... I suppose if you grew up in a predominately white suburb and went to a majority white school with AS, you may well feel disenchanted with that establishment and seek your own self-expression. More power to you if this is your case.

My revolt, however, was to be white and retain my white Euro-centric identity as what I perceived as the minority influences bombarding me everywhere.

All of the "cool white kids" I ever knew growing up(the ones who were commonly accepted as cool by the consensus,) completely embraced the MTV rapper culture and all of that. So that was my revolt against both them and the minority students who I perceived as getting privileged status.