Difference of eyes emotions NT vs AS

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Hi,
I used to look at videos of Aspergers talking to their webcam and I sometimes compare with NT.
It's seems like if the expression around the eyes and near the eyes of aspergers don’t change like if congealed. The expressed emotion does not vary contrary to NT. I’m not diagnosed but when I do the same thing, the result is the same, even if I do efforts.
Do you also see that difference when you look at videos ?

Random examples
AS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd8NWEOV ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-nDKsjc ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV_CcmLl ... re=related

No AS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8IJV81 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AaEPcQa ... re=related

Yep, I've noticed. I don't like watching videos of myself for that reason. I imagine myself looking and interacting in a more usual way. It's almost startling to be reminded that I don't. BTW, the third aspie kind of reminds me of Juno. The way she talks.

I find it hard to have expression on my face when I'm talking to a large audience or a video recorder. The fact that there's nothing to focus on is uncomfortable.

I''m kind of conflicted in this area. I know a good few apparently NT types who are not exactly heavy on eye expression; on the other hand, I'm not sure how much my eyes are NATURALLY fairly still and how much I am controlling it to manage data flow.

Either way, I get a lot of failed communication.

I "see" something else, that I think equates to what you're talking about. I don't pay too much attention to eyes. If I do, I actually can't concentrate on the speaker's words and meaning. It's distracting even on videos and film.

What I see is more of a feeling because I see it in my mind's eye, and not my physical eyes. That's the only way I can think of to explain it. Some might call it a vibe, but it's more than that, because it's combined with the real meaning of what they have to say, It's more of a synergy. When that synergy happens, that's when I know, "Yeah, uh-huh. We get it!" Some of it is actually from reading body language. I think I'm lucky to have consciously learned to do that many years ago. It's not natural for me though. I have to consciously look for it, and I don't get all of it with NT's.

I found myself several times in stores where I had no facial expressions while my bf chatted away with employees and had facial expression. Especially in walmart with all the bright lights! I had this weird expression on my face, eyebrows tipped up and everything. I couldn't seem to create a reaction on my face on my own if I wanted to absorb the information that was given to me. It was one or the other. However, I've noticed I am a good listener and will listen intently on the person who is talking. But now I look at everyone who is in the "talking group", and they all look around at each other usually too, so I've found. I couldn't really tell much about their facial expressions.

It looks like the NTs look over a few times but are always looking at the camera, while ASs tend to look around all the time while they're saying something, then look up at the camera after they're done. Except the lady on the last one. She's been taught to look people in the eyes, but she does it on such an excessive scale that she has a sloooooower thought process, even the camera is like an eye to me too.

today i got in trouble for a facial expression. i should have just said "hey, what's up?" but instead i made a face that i thought would mean i was becoming attentive... i had headphones on and didnt know someone was talking to me, so thats when i turned and took headphones off, and tried to make the face that looked attentive, and it offended. boo.

I do not see the difference. Some people make a lot of eye movements because they prefer to avoid looking directly at the camera. Perhaps the NT videos use more eyebrow movements than AS but the movements are always the same and I wonder if they are acting or if it reflects a true feeling.

It would be better to compare their expression when they look at someone I guess. I know I can look at a camera (well, except if there is a small light because I tend to squint then) but I move my eyes a lot when I am talking to someone.

As for facial expression, it is hard to tell. I always think I am easy to read, I feel smiles, etc but it seems that most people think I am almost always "sad" or "nothing", but I've always thought it could also be linked to one's facial features (well, at least, in the Sims, when you cnage the facial features, some can seem to be always sad or mad, other can seem to be always happy, I guess it may happen in real life depending on the shape of your mouth, I've heard people say that a guy who had a small mouth looked confused so...)

I can relate to some of you. From my point of view it's as if in certain situation my face was congealed. It becomes extremely difficult to move the slightest eyebrows. It is not very comfortable.
But I found what really interpeeled me in these videos, I opened a new post here

The aspergers which i saw seem to work on two modes. They look in no way at the camera, except short glance or they look at fixedly.

Hi.
Here is an amusing story re: facial expressions...
My partner was depressed, and I didn't know what to do, so I went to an experienced counsellor who specialised in psychotherapy/psychodrama. The method is: that the therapist perceives the emotions expressed by the client's face and body, and "mirrors" or echoes them to the client, so that the client can respond to their emotions etc etc.

Well, the therapist could not read my facial expressions. At all.

Eventually she asked me if I had "AssBurgers". Hmm.

This woman claims to have Asperger's, and yet she's very expressive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_oZaAfAHwI

Women with AS are probably more expressive than men. You gave only males as examples in your post.

I have noticed the blank stares on AS peoples videos. Also the non AS chick is really cute

I think facial expressions can be learned, and they are easier to use when you see yourself talking. The first guy also uses some facial expressions (I tend to look like him when I take a video of myself), perhaps less than most people on the videos but they are still there (you can see him frown at 00:06, especially if you watch second by second), it somewhat instinctive and I think everyone uses them more or less.

(It reminds me of the thread about hand gestures and AS, it seemed that they either used hand gestures too mauch or not at all.)

It is harder to use facial expressions when you don't see yourself because you may feel that you are using them while using the wrong one or remaining neutral.

I notice my "dead eyes" expression when I see photographs of myself, which makes me unhappy. I don't realize until then that I walk around with an expression like Lurch on the The Addams Family.