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10 Sep 2010, 9:18 pm

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So, is it more the policies they advocate which such rather than the truth of falseness of the rhetoric which they employ to conclude improper measures?


My problem is that the rhetoric is false and the policies don't benefit me. They appeal to workers/working class but the masters they serve are against workers rights. Republicans want to take away overtime and have already made it easier for companies to deny overtime pay to workers. I don't know what you make but if it's less than $90k/yr then you would be better served with a more liberal head (with the understanding that they'd actually enact liberal policies...Obama's actually been enacting a lot of moderate republican policy more than any actual liberal policy)


Actually, I'm just an unemployed student. Studying accounting at a college which has a contract for developing crap textbooks by the lowest bidder though, which I'm not thrilled beyond words about... However, isn't what you said similar to Pascal's wager? Pascal's wager has been called an "argument by consequences" and I think that suggesting the adoption of current American liberality on the basis of beneficial consequences is just the same type of argumentation. Or am I wrong about this, and how so?


Could you explain that position a little better because, to me, it sorta sounds like a jump in logic. Also, I'm not a very big fan of American liberality mainly because it's ineffective. I like what they do in Finland better (and I would move there if I had a legitimate opportunity).


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10 Sep 2010, 9:19 pm

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I could never smoke a bowl with that guy because his hair would just absolutely freak me out for the duration of the time I was high.


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10 Sep 2010, 9:26 pm

skafather84 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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So, is it more the policies they advocate which such rather than the truth of falseness of the rhetoric which they employ to conclude improper measures?


My problem is that the rhetoric is false and the policies don't benefit me. They appeal to workers/working class but the masters they serve are against workers rights. Republicans want to take away overtime and have already made it easier for companies to deny overtime pay to workers. I don't know what you make but if it's less than $90k/yr then you would be better served with a more liberal head (with the understanding that they'd actually enact liberal policies...Obama's actually been enacting a lot of moderate republican policy more than any actual liberal policy)


Actually, I'm just an unemployed student. Studying accounting at a college which has a contract for developing crap textbooks by the lowest bidder though, which I'm not thrilled beyond words about... However, isn't what you said similar to Pascal's wager? Pascal's wager has been called an "argument by consequences" and I think that suggesting the adoption of current American liberality on the basis of beneficial consequences is just the same type of argumentation. Or am I wrong about this, and how so?


Could you explain that position a little better because, to me, it sorta sounds like a jump in logic. Also, I'm not a very big fan of American liberality mainly because it's ineffective. I like what they do in Finland better (and I would move there if I had a legitimate opportunity).


It's on wikipedia where a claim that Pascal's Wager is a form of "argument by consequences". Basically, Pascal's Wager was that if atheism were true, there would be no heaven or hell just nothingness, but if Christianity were true, then heaven and hell would exist rather than mere nothingness. It's what many preacher's mock as the "fire insurance gospel" and many atheists mock since it only considered two options.



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10 Sep 2010, 9:30 pm

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I could never smoke a bowl with that guy because his hair would just absolutely freak me out for the duration of the time I was high.


If I were to trim my beard down a couple of inches I might look like that guy. :P



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10 Sep 2010, 9:51 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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So, is it more the policies they advocate which such rather than the truth of falseness of the rhetoric which they employ to conclude improper measures?


My problem is that the rhetoric is false and the policies don't benefit me. They appeal to workers/working class but the masters they serve are against workers rights. Republicans want to take away overtime and have already made it easier for companies to deny overtime pay to workers. I don't know what you make but if it's less than $90k/yr then you would be better served with a more liberal head (with the understanding that they'd actually enact liberal policies...Obama's actually been enacting a lot of moderate republican policy more than any actual liberal policy)


Actually, I'm just an unemployed student. Studying accounting at a college which has a contract for developing crap textbooks by the lowest bidder though, which I'm not thrilled beyond words about... However, isn't what you said similar to Pascal's wager? Pascal's wager has been called an "argument by consequences" and I think that suggesting the adoption of current American liberality on the basis of beneficial consequences is just the same type of argumentation. Or am I wrong about this, and how so?


Could you explain that position a little better because, to me, it sorta sounds like a jump in logic. Also, I'm not a very big fan of American liberality mainly because it's ineffective. I like what they do in Finland better (and I would move there if I had a legitimate opportunity).


It's on wikipedia where a claim that Pascal's Wager is a form of "argument by consequences". Basically, Pascal's Wager was that if atheism were true, there would be no heaven or hell just nothingness, but if Christianity were true, then heaven and hell would exist rather than mere nothingness. It's what many preacher's mock as the "fire insurance gospel" and many atheists mock since it only considered two options.



So what you're saying is that I'm falling short in only expressing two sides? I mean my own beliefs are pretty nuanced and straddle back and forth between where I think government belongs and absolutely doesn't belong or where government is wrong in implementation of "help" versus what I think could actually help (I'm not a big fan of infantilizing adults). Is the american left wrong on stuff? Absolutely wrong on some stuff but considering my position as a lower-end worker, I'd rather the left side than the right side's laissez faire approach or, even worse, settling matters through private arbitration (which distinctly puts the individual at a disadvantage with complaints against a company).


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10 Sep 2010, 9:52 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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I could never smoke a bowl with that guy because his hair would just absolutely freak me out for the duration of the time I was high.


If I were to trim my beard down a couple of inches I might look like that guy. :P


You've got your hair feathered straight up on all sides like a peacock Doc Brown?


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10 Sep 2010, 10:13 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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I could never smoke a bowl with that guy because his hair would just absolutely freak me out for the duration of the time I was high.


If I were to trim my beard down a couple of inches I might look like that guy. :P

I see the resemblence :P


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11 Sep 2010, 8:14 am

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Who or what is THAT????????

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11 Sep 2010, 1:55 pm

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Who or what is THAT????????

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Obviously someone preaching the truth on History Channel about how Nazis working with the UFO aliens are a sign of the coming apocalypse as predicted by the bible and nostradamus.


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11 Sep 2010, 2:10 pm

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Who or what is THAT????????

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Obviously someone preaching the truth on History Channel about how Nazis working with the UFO aliens are a sign of the coming apocalypse as predicted by the bible and nostradamus.


It looks more like a set up photo from a pseudo article of the Onion.



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11 Sep 2010, 2:19 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Who or what is THAT????????

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Obviously someone preaching the truth on History Channel about how Nazis working with the UFO aliens are a sign of the coming apocalypse as predicted by the bible and nostradamus.


It looks more like a set up photo from a pseudo article of the Onion.


http://www.legendarytimes.com/giorgio/


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11 Sep 2010, 7:34 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL7zugVZx3o[/youtube]

He is actually a regular in the show Ancient Aliens.


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11 Sep 2010, 11:12 pm

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL7zugVZx3o[/youtube]

He is actually a regular in the show Ancient Aliens.


Is he claiming to be one of them?