ILLEGALS ARE STEALING JOBS FROM ASPIES!! !

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Count me in on this mutual agreement (and I am a member of two of the professions that engage in it!)

Physicians are pushing back against encroachment in two ways: First, we are incredibly restrictive about what is acceptable as medical education to qualify for admission to practice in Canada. Medical graduates from countries other than Canada and the United States face significant barriers to admission; and there are virtually no opportunities for foreign trained physicians to upgrade their academic qualifications. Second, we are incredibly restrictive about what we define as "medical practice," and work very hard to shut nurse practitioners, midwives and other paraprofessions out of the market. I am a voice in the wilderness among my colleagues on these questions. (sigh)

Lawyers, ironically, are significantly more open, at least in this province. In all Common Law provinces (I think), a holder of a law degree from a foreign common law jurisdiction need only about a year of Canadian legal training to come up to the academic requirements in order to become eligible for articles. A lawyer of sufficient standing is free to obtain a practice license in any of the other jurisdictions with minimal impediment. The only real barrier to transfer is the existence of a Civil Law system in Québec which limits mobility for lawyers trained only in that system, or lawyers seeking to work in that system.

Entertainment is a very difficult field to make any money in rather less a livable wage and you're talking about a niche corner of the market that limits your income potential even more. I'd say you should go to school for something else.

But I think a better initial question is: how much do you expect to be able to make? What do you think your gigs will consist of? How will you make money with it if you can't land those ideal gigs?

i agree that for many professions, it is too hard to get cerdentials recognized in canada. at a fast food place back in the day i worked alongside an entomologist from nepal. but for doctors a big problem is in passing their candian certification exams.

this may be due to their overseas education systems using a different focus or approach than canadian universities. and also, the schools might not be as high a quality. the article below points out that it is easier for a canadian to get accepted into many foreign medical schools than into canadian ones, so it stands to reason that graduates of those same foreign schools may not be able to pass our exams. these tests are designed to ensure that all foreign doctors be equally as competent as candian doctors.

looks like the government is going to try to help foreign doctors better prepare for the exam though, because some of these doctors are considered a potential asset to our medical system.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Foreig ... story.html

I never said AS is not an issue or not an important one.

I just think that it can't be the 100% reason and I think that there should always be room for improvement. Hey, it will always be harder for AS than NTs, but that does not mean it is impossible.

Well, it has to be said, someone who would open their communication with "my stupid parents" is obviously someone with problems. Even if he doesn't always agree with his parents, that intro shows an appalling attitude.. I'd never hire anyone who was that overtly disrespectful to the persons who gave him life.

"My stupid parents"...

They gave you birth, they fed you, changed your nappies, got up in the middle of the night because you were screaming with colic.... and you call them stupid? Who else will ever love you like they did?

I would never employ an ingrate like you.

In which case, I suggest you set your 'aspierations' higher.

Also, I have far more respect for a non-white working in an entry-level job than for any white person who blames people of a different race as the root of their problems. Incidentally, what are your views on the hundreds of British actors who 'steal jobs' from 'decent hard workin' folks' in Hollywood?

Perhaps you should lobby to have Hugh Laurie sent back over the Atlantic because he was unfortunate not be born in the US?

The problem is we don't really know the background of Eric_crooks. He could just be a troll making shoot up, but there's always a chance that the REASON his parents are stressing that he get a job is because they can't really afford to support a child any more. In which case, Eric_crook is in a pretty bad situation as:

a) He doesn't have a natural apitude or connections conducive to today's entry-level labour market.
b) He doesn't have the ability to suffer the opportunity cost and go through 4 years of University to get proper certification for many more "Aspie-friendly" jobs.

Of course, I have no ideas on the particularities of his case and I don't think anyone can or should assess the case without knowledge of the details. The devil is, after all, in the details.

They first need a visa or legal residency, then they have to take the USMLE exam to become certified by the ECFMG, they also have to complete a ACGME accredited residency, and meet state requirements on top of that.

Considering what it takes to become a doctor in the US, I don't think that is excessive.

In my field, most of my instructors, as well as most of the graduate students, were educated overseas and those institutions were actually more competitive than US institutions and their credits were transferable, so they had no problem attending graduate school here. The biggest hurdle was obtaining the visa to work or study here.



Excellent observation. We tend to be rather horrible at entry level things, and I speculate that most of us, even if we do have the proper skills for more advanced positions...even if we happen to be self taught experts in the field, don't have the ability to promote ourselves properly to gain those positions without a degree.



I also believe a large number of those with AS end up homeless. And the irony is we usually outperform NT's in our field of interest but few NT's are willing to look past things which should be completely irrelevant to our qualifications.

Actually, there was this interesting investigation that was being aired on our network here in Quebec yesterday. Apparently, illegals are themselves being stolen from the agencies that get them jobs, they sent undercover people to pose as illegals and one of them got a job for something as mundane as working to assemble BBQ brochettes in a food factory in a rural community (outside the city). The company does hire temporary employees for some seasons, and they resort to job-seeking agencies for that.

Well, it would seem though, that the guy going undercover was underpayed for his work there, the company usually gives 12$CA / hour or so, yet he only got 6.50$, and the agency took the rest...

It would seem that, when confronted about this, the company in question said they don't ask their employees for their papers, so they have no way of knowing. Thankfully, The VP of that company however said that they think our governements (provincial and federal) should look into the issue and clean up the mess, which indicates a willingness from their part.

It was also interesting to note that both undercover people got payed cash, instead of getting a check, which can't be deduced from taxes (it's pretty much undeclared work). That and, i have a pretty good hunch that this money is laundered money from the criminal sector. =.=

So meh, in that light, i doubt Asperger's are the only one being penalized here.... =/

(Oh yeah, sources... "Enquête" (YES it's french, gee) from the 21st of october, 8 pm, Radio-Canada Network)

edited for sources. :p

@phil777: You forget to say that the 6.50$CA/hour salary is actually lower that the Quebec minimun salary of 9.50$CA/hour.

I hate to say it because I've had illegal friends before and found them to be hard workers that often deserve to be here more than some lazy Americans do, but it's true. My social skills are so poor that I can't handle a service or office job for more than a month before being fired, yet I excel at labor work like cleaning houses, restoration/painting/etc, & outdoor jobs. It's getting harder to find those jobs and some employers even admit it. One vineyard owner turned me down for harvesting grapes at minimum wage by saying "the Latinas have you edged out on that market" and that I'd have no chance of getting farm work anywhere in California. It's not that they're willing to work cheaper, because I'd take the same amount of money. Anything is better than what I'm making now, which is nothing.

I'd also like to clear up the misconception that these are jobs nobody wants to do. PLENTY of Americans (even some NTs) can't handle corporate work and would be MORE than happy to pick fruit or clean houses for minimum wage. People used to understand that different people had different job abilities and it wasn't a bad thing. In the past if you couldn't handle a retail job because of poor social skills, people assumed that you were skilled at something else and there were plenty of labor and trade jobs available instead. Nowadays, if you don't fit the tiny lifestyle "box" that the majority of Americans fit into, you're instantly labeled as a "lazy piece of s**t." The ironic part is that the cubicle sitting b*****s that call me that probably wouldn't last 3 hours at some of the jobs I have been able to keep.

Thanks to things like outsourcing, jobs being given to immigrants, and some jobs being replaced by automated machinery, the options are very limited these days and not everybody will be able to find a niche. Some of us are being edged out and don't know how to survive and contribute anything to society. I'm just hoping I can get back in with some kind of trade work before I end up homeless.

This, too. I think having AS is actually an asset at labor jobs because I focus on working and being productive instead of wasting time chatting like many NTs tend to do.

immigrants are taking jobs (especially those in our few remaining factories) because they are among the only ones who put up with the lamentable conditions that exist in some of those settings. more legal citizens of the industrialized world would fill up those jobs if governments spent half as much time enforcing acceptable work conditions as they did fixating on small dividing issues.

Everyone's stealing jobs from Aspies. We're basically a type of introvert, though some of us may have more extrovert characteristics than others, and hiring managers prefer extroverts, so we aren't going to be hired as often.

If anything, those "immigrants" working in fast food are here legally, as the corporations know that they have to check legal status on everyone that applies to work there. For the most part, if a corporation wants cheap labor, they shut down American factories and offices, then open up new factories in China, India, and other countries where there is no minimum wage.

Haha, I sense your sarcasm.

...and if they do hire you, they always wanna steal your stapler!

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