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shouldn't a true libertarian be pro choice, for the legalization of drugs, for the freedom of religion, pro gay marriage anti inhibitory laws etc.

Umm... I would think the answer would be yes.

Pro-choice is the only position where a libertarian has more wiggle-room, and that's only given a philosophical position on the beginning of life.

Yes.

isn't the tea party supposed to be libertarian? it might be that i'm mistaking but i thought they together with the Republicans are always screaming that there freedoms are being taken away.

isn't the tea party supposed to be libertarian? it might be that i'm mistaking but i thought they together with the Republicans are always screaming that there freedoms are being taken away.

There are two kinds of libertarians, individualist and socialist. Individualist libertarians believe the the world should be dog-eat-dog, no government, everyone out for himself (which would make for a terrible, terribly harsh, and ultimately utterly impractical world). Socialist libertarians think there should be self-government by the people, so that rules are not handed down from the top but agreed upon mutually by the people.

Then there's the US Libertarian Party, which is basically a bunch of hypocrites. They are right-wingers who decry government but their -- along with everyone else's -- lives would fall apart if there were no public roads, fire departments, etc.

Stop right there! That is anarchism, not libertarianism..

Libertarians favor limited government, not no government.

Minarchism as opposed to anarchism.

The only thing governments should be running are functions in which there has to be a monopoly of force such as the police or the military. Governments should also provide courts of law to settle disputes peacefully. Anything else can be provided by private individuals, private associations and by volunteers.

ruveyn

Most probably don't think the government should be involved one way or the other in marriage, gay or straight.

The abortion issue can go both ways. AG put it well when he said it's an issue of when you believe life begins. If you don't believe it's a human life with rights and a soul(if you believe that sort of thing) then you're justified in protecting the individual rights of the mother to her body or if you do believe it's a human life then you are justified to protect the child's right to live from being infringed upon by it's mother. It's a tough tough issue and I struggle having a concrete position on it.

Republican libertarians to include many tea party folks are of the mindset that no businesses should be regulated, that they should be able to have monopolies and pollute as much as they need to so they make more money but are against any libertarian views on social stuff like pro-choice, homosexuality, Gay marriage, or any other reproductive rights.

Moderate libertarians tend to believe that government should only be involved in the protection of the country and population such as police and military, but to also include regulation of businesses that would harm either the environment (read food supply) or people. However, they tend to have the view that any social issues like homosexuality, marijuana legalization and other personal choice issues need to be left up to either local areas to decide or shouldn't be regulated at all.

Democrat/Socialist libertarians tend to view any regulation of government as unneeded, particularly on things like any kind of money spent on the military. They tend to shun most governmental regulation except on the issues they want like gun control or environmentalist positions.

@Bee33 The libertarian party doesn't really sway towards the right, more towards the deconstructionist bend.

Actually, they really just look like they are straight-up republicans.

I don't think you've identified hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is when a person is living in conflict with their beliefs. There is no reason to think a member of the libertarian party is living in this sort of conflict though in general.

yea, basically



Yea, whats your point?

The current and Republican party is not the tea party. Republican elites are not a tea partiers, Those republican elites that show support for the tea party are simply opportunists looking for votes. Most of them want nothing more than the tea party folks to shut up and go away. The tea party is a revolution & civil war within the republican party. We have spent more effort fighting the republican elites in the primaries than any democrat. We will not put up with the Nixon/Bush1/Bush2/McCain socialist-light agenda any more. And we certainly have not won yet. The elite republicans are still in majority and in charge. They will try to compromise with Obama and continue the status quo. But we understand that election day was not the end, but merely the beginning of the movement. We will continue the fight to overthrow the republican elites until it is finally a polical party that offers a real alternative the the corrupt Democrat socialist agenda.

And remember, never let a lefty try to tell you what tea party folks think. It's like a NT telling you what it feels like to be an aspie, Or like a rich white guy telling you how it feels to be a poor black man. Most lefties do not have a clue what the tea party is. Some do understand and will just lie about it to spread rumors.

i'm probably one of the most leftist persons on this forum. i just wondered if some right wing american party's (their all right wing) aren't kinda hypocrite.

When Dox47 comes back, I'm going to start quoting this quite frequently.

Not trying to be a jerk, but seriously I am still looking for an example of this. The only monopolies I have ever heard of in the entire history of mankind have been caused and enforced by the regulation of government.

Oh, that will be fun.

Look, to be clear, I am not saying that everybody identifying with the tea party is a republican, but regardless of anything else, the "tea-party candidates", really just seem like socially conservative people with economic views often associated with the Republicans as well. Maybe he disagrees, but I think this is shown in a lot of the races, and even polling data.