why are women seen as the "weaker sex"?
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Almost every man I known, when the things get tough in life...they blame the woman.
I have been told a few times that we are weaker sex because we were tempted in the garden of eden...and talked the man into sin. Well that was also a story told by a man.
example:
my father blamed my mother for him giving me up for adoption
my step father blamed my mother for everything under the sun...even if he did it
My ex boyfriend blamed me for him breaking the stereo I just bought
he also blamed me for him tearing up his truck by putting it in 2nd gear and then slaming it into reverse.
The latest one is my uncle who is a doctor blamed my mom saying she is crazy when she asks him to help her research her medical condition that is making her very sick.
why do men act this way???
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I have been told a few times that we are weaker sex because we were tempted in the garden of eden...and talked the man into sin. Well that was also a story told by a man.
example:
my father blamed my mother for him giving me up for adoption
my step father blamed my mother for everything under the sun...even if he did it
My ex boyfriend blamed me for him breaking the stereo I just bought
he also blamed me for him tearing up his truck by putting it in 2nd gear and then slaming it into reverse.
The latest one is my uncle who is a doctor blamed my mom saying she is crazy when she asks him to help her research her medical condition that is making her very sick.
why do men act this way???
wow, well, here is a topic that will not end well.
first, your opinion is based on anecdotal evidence and as such has a bias.
i do think some men overinterpret women as crazy; they're less emotional and everyone tends to give little genuine regard to things they can't relate to. but i don't agree men simply blame women for everything.
(i'm female, BTW)
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I think you've just been unlucky. Of course there are some men out there who are misogynists but there are many, many men who aren't! And there are many men I know who are pretty scared of their strong wives/ Gf's. I am a strong women, and speak my mind.
Hey, all these religious books were written a long time ago by men, but things are VERY different now, and have definitely changed for the better since then, especially where I live in the UK. I feel very equal - certainly not weaker intellectually, socially (as in status), financially or even physically... I am sure I could wrestle most guys to the floor, chubby as I am .
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All that f*****g s**t about women being called the weaker sex makes me proud that I look exactly like this!
I hate my breasts...I hate my vagina...I hate my periods...and I hate it when my dad makes comments about things needing a little strength to open, when my sister's husband gets something open. Those comments alone make me row to myself in anger, after I hear them from my dad, until I manage to get the lid off the same can of whipped cream, without much effort the next day.
Is there's a third sex that looks like the Mods of the British 60s? I'd love to be a member of that gender. I hate being female and men just don't groom themselves the way that they did in England, in the 60s. I don't identify with any gender these days.
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I have been told a few times that we are weaker sex because we were tempted in the garden of eden...and talked the man into sin. Well that was also a story told by a man.
example:
my father blamed my mother for him giving me up for adoption
my step father blamed my mother for everything under the sun...even if he did it
My ex boyfriend blamed me for him breaking the stereo I just bought
he also blamed me for him tearing up his truck by putting it in 2nd gear and then slaming it into reverse.
The latest one is my uncle who is a doctor blamed my mom saying she is crazy when she asks him to help her research her medical condition that is making her very sick.
why do men act this way???
There seems to be a lot of mean men in your life. They are not all like this but it is hard to find the nice ones when a person has a lot of life experience of bad ones.
I think perhaps your mother probably found a husband similar to her father, and your uncle, coming from one of those families, follows the same line of thought as her father or your father, and you are repeating the cycle.
However I will say I do think men who have a tendency to blame women for things are more vocal about it than men who don't.
Eve was blamed for the fall of man though she did not exist when the command not to eat from the tree of knowledge was given.
In many middle eastern cultures, women are blamed for men raping them, or for dishonoring the family by being raped. They are blamed for their husband's hitting them, and so on.
But they are blamed by men and women alike in these cultures. Even in western culture, it is considered an insult when one woman tells another that she cannot "hold on to her man"...effectively she is being blamed for her man cheating on her.
On here you hear men blaming women for hurting them by breaking up with them, or not wanting to date them. Single women are blamed as being irresponsible while women who get abortions are blamed as being murders. Women who don't put out to begin with are blamed for teasing men, and women who do are branded sluts.
Women used to be blamed more often for marriages falling apart, and women were blamed more often for their children having problems, and the list goes on.
I have been told a few times that we are weaker sex because we were tempted in the garden of eden...and talked the man into sin. Well that was also a story told by a man.
example:
my father blamed my mother for him giving me up for adoption
my step father blamed my mother for everything under the sun...even if he did it
My ex boyfriend blamed me for him breaking the stereo I just bought
he also blamed me for him tearing up his truck by putting it in 2nd gear and then slaming it into reverse.
The latest one is my uncle who is a doctor blamed my mom saying she is crazy when she asks him to help her research her medical condition that is making her very sick.
why do men act this way???
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I have only one word to describe the whole thing about why women are expected to be the weaker sex. Hollywood. If Hollywood didn't hire anorexic women to be in movies, TV shows and commercials than women wouldn't be expected to be small and weak.
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i dunno why women are perceived that way by some people.
i'm pretty strong, though i don't look it (5'2", chubby, narrow shoulders). i have quick-strength that allows me to lift very heavy objects. i remember once in grade 7 or so i needed to move my desk (the old-fashioned kind with an attached chair), so i lifted the whole unit over my head and carried it to the new spot. people were shocked. also i played football with the boys.
i think that overall women are usually physically weaker, but i think it is also a self-fulfilling prophecy. we make ourselves weaker than maybe we would be naturally.
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Women are the weaker sex...
The world record (drug tested) for a squat is 948lbs, held by a guy named Joe...not a chick named Jill
Clean and jerk is 580lbs, again held by a man...the womens record is only 412lbs BIG DIFFERENCE!
Lance Armstrong isn't a girl name
Danica Patrick isn't the "fastest" race car driver ever, though she is the fastest woman
As a whole men have accomplished far more physically and intellectually. Emotionally is hard to compare but I'd say men are better at dealing with that too.
The blame games in your examples are stupid however. I blame women for very few things, like wasting all my money and pissing me off with stupid games and manipulations.
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As a whole men have accomplished far more physically and intellectually. Emotionally is hard to compare but I'd say men are better at dealing with that too.
not true. when was the last time a man gave birth? the pain is pretty severe, yet most women accomplish it sooner or later. men are not tested in a physical way like that and most men will never experience anything that extreme.
there are some sports that women excel at compared to men if flexibility and grace are under consideration. while men have more brute strength, that is about all. sports are designed for men to excel: they are men's creations with men's criteria. historically, men would not have created sports that women would excel at.
emotionally and intellectually, i would definitely say that men aren't stronger than women either. i'd say men and women are about equal in these regards. historically, men had more rights, freedoms and education. that meant more opportunities to excel. women are closing the gap.
i can see that you would like to think of women as lesser, but really they are not.
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I do not see how anyone would think men handle emotional issues better than women. Men who aren't open about their issues tend to deal with them by drinking, hitting things (or sometimes people), picking a fight, or killing themselves. There's also the blaming-other-people-instead-of-introspecting-self thing, but that's a minor annoyance when compared to an actual act of violence.
Yeah, you give birth and Steve Irwin gets stabbed to death by a stingray. It's what you get for not getting kicked in the nuts repeatedly throughout your school years, what you get for not catching a chest pass with your nads, etc. I'm sure that if all the pain the average man (not a sissy metro guy) and the average woman went through, especially taking into consideration the prevalence of epidurals the man would probably have it worse off. I've ripped half the skin off my left calf and laughed about it. I spent nearly a week living with a collapsed lung, all the nurses would ask "how would you rate your pain 1-10" and I'd tell them a 6 and they'd pretty much argue with me "are you sure you aren't a 10? are you sure you don't want morphine?" it was a joke to me. I had sex (on top), lifted weights and jogged to class with that lung collapsed, I didn't need any meds to keep the pain down
Flexibility and grace are hardly useful. It's like with cars, you need volume and velocity...volume makes more of a difference though. Grace and flexibility only looks better, sports are about objectives they were never geared towards "hey men are strong so let's make the game insanely physically demanding". 5 year old girls can play kickball just as easily as as 20 year old male, the 20 year old male can just play it better because he's physically more capable, as he is also physically more capable than a woman his own age. Name a sport that women accel at, I'm sure it's a boring one cause the only sport I can think of women being super competitive in is tennis and even then I'm sure you can take one of the super masculine looking tennis chicks and put her up against guys her own strength and speed in other sports and she'll do equally well.
Women are challenged in the sense that they "max out" lower than men and that's just the way it always has been and always will be. My ex can beat up guys twice her size but in a fight I'm sure I could take her because I am in the top 1% when it comes to fitness.
Now, go to a technical school. Count how many women are in all the different classes. You'll find many of them in beauty, massage, culinary, etc. You will hardly find any in any form of engineering, machining, automotive, marine, etc. stuff. The fact of the matter is 90% of women are bimbos who couldn't even begin to comprehend it. Guys can easily grasp culinary and massage s**t though, even though they will still be proportionally lower. Think about it, how does the ratio of doctors and nurses look? Aren't most doctors male? Aren't more nurses female? By this logic I can conclude that men are far more capable of doing more difficult jobs. Women are good for pretty much just looking good and doing more menial work. Hooters is a success because women have tits, strip clubs work because women have tits, people go to the movies just to see Megan Fox, etc. Hell, when I go to a scrapyard I like to be greeted by a woman and given directions by a woman, get unloaded by men and sign paperwork and get my money from a woman. It just works better that way because the clientele is a bunch of greasy dirty men who probably don't like taking directions from another greasy man.
Yes, I do think they are lesser. When women quit telling me that they got rid of their 95 Camry for a 06 Pacifica because it was unreliable, when women learn to take care of their cars, when they can understand how a microwave works (not just use it), when they can quit crying about their boyfriend dumping them and show up for work on time and do their job, etc. I'll consider giving them more credit. I can keep going if you want, I've never seen a woman fix her washer or drier, I've never seen a woman fix an air conditioner, I've never seen a woman so much as rotate her tires, etc.
I have seen men cut hair, do dishes, do laundry and do everything I've ever seen a woman do except bleed for days, give birth and make milk.
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Yeah....women do the same thing when they aren't crying to their lesbian/feminist support net. Believe me, my ex and her mom drink to deal with s**t.
You think women don't try to kill themselves? The only thing is men are BETTER at killing themselves! Where as women do things like try to slit their wrists and overdose on pills (only to puke the whole mess up) men usually take more drastic measures and get the biggest gun they can find, put it to their head and pull the trigger. This is WAY more effective than pretty much anything short of injecting yourself with something, inhaling gasoline in a closet out of an open container, explosives, unbolting your catalytic converter and disconnecting your upstream O2 sensor and coolant temperature sensor and sitting in the garage waiting for the carbon monoxide to displace all the oxygen in your bloodstream, etc. All things that men are again more likely to do that women. The best suicide attempt any woman I've ever known to have attempted was tying her leg to a cinderblock or something (I forget) and jumping into the pool. She did die from that technically, pronounced dead but revived. Still, a man would be more likely to do that then a woman...even I couldn't go out that way.
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i played football. try taking it on the tit, and you'll stop crying about your nads. your point that women get epidurals reinforces my point that it is excruciating. a collapsed lung is nothing compared to 45 hours of childbirth agony at home with a midwife. i broke my tailbone in the process and ripped my skin apart. i doubt you could have handled that kind of pain.
you keep proving my points. most modern sports are designed by men for men to compete in.
i doubt it. easy to talk big on the internet.
Now, go to a technical school. Count how many women are in all the different classes. You'll find many of them in beauty, massage, culinary, etc. You will hardly find any in any form of engineering, machining, automotive, marine, etc. stuff. The fact of the matter is 90% of women are bimbos who couldn't even begin to comprehend it. Guys can easily grasp culinary and massage sh** though, even though they will still be proportionally lower. Think about it, how does the ratio of doctors and nurses look? Aren't most doctors male? Aren't more nurses female? By this logic I can conclude that men are far more capable of doing more difficult jobs. Women are good for pretty much just looking good and doing more menial work. Hooters is a success because women have tits, strip clubs work because women have tits, people go to the movies just to see Megan Fox, etc. Hell, when I go to a scrapyard I like to be greeted by a woman and given directions by a woman, get unloaded by men and sign paperwork and get my money from a woman. It just works better that way because the clientele is a bunch of greasy dirty men who probably don't like taking directions from another greasy man.
men have tried to keep women out of technical studies and professions for a long time. the preponderance of men in the technical schools does not make them stronger or smarter than women. anyway, women outperform men in many subject areas incuding language arts.
I have seen men cut hair, do dishes, do laundry and do everything I've ever seen a woman do except bleed for days, give birth and make milk.
women do all of these things and more, but you are choosing to make generalizations for some purpose that only your therapist could ever understand. you would not believe women capable of much, even if you saw it with your own eyes, because your misogyny preculdes true acceptance and understanding.
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Your womanly language arts skills lack the capability to properly spell precludes even on a computer where you can look up and your browser probably has a red zig-zag under the word indicating that the spelling of your word doesn't match up with any in the computer's dictionary file.
What you are doing is basically the same as playing a video game and calling the other player (men) a cheater because you can't win. Men are NOT trying to keep women out of technically studies (except maybe their moms and dads. Here there was ONE girl in my machining class. She was easily the worst machining student in the class. She tried hard but her aptitude was below even that one guy who I thought was a total dumbass. She of course got in the newspaper and got acknowledged for just being the only woman enrolled in the class. Did I ever get in the newspaper for being twice as fast as ALL the other class? No, being a woman in a technical field gets you extra attention and admiration because you're unique and stand out and you're special because you can (poorly) do what not many other women can.
Even if sports were designed by women they would have to be designed explicitly for the purpose of defeating men for men to be able to be defeated in them (like having to do splits to score).
Actually, I don't cry about my nads believe it or not. It does bug me when they drag across my leg hours later but I don't sit out or cry. It's excruciating less than a handful of times in a woman's life, beyond that most of them will never have to worry about doing anything besides breaking a nail or their hair getting stuck in a bathroom door. I've had things fall on me that weigh probably 300-500lbs and I would actually say that for a guy I don't get hurt a lot because I am too smart. All the mistakes most guys could make that would get them in trouble I wouldn't make.
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