anarchism, individualism, peaceful coexistance

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i don't live in a squat or spend all my energy trying to dismantle society, i have a deep moral and ethical respect for individualist anarchism. yeah, i know: human nature gets in the way; and no i don't have everything laid out perfectly - but if people overcame human nature via intelligence and treated their fellow man with respect and kindness, i think we'd be on our way to a just and peaceful world, free of greed and manipulation. ahh happy thoughts... anyone else?

From an idealistic point of view, I came to the same conclusion, I'm an anarchist too. But I don't think anarchy can work out of the box.

The problem: it needs very intelligent and very informed people. In my opinion, technology could achieve the infrastructure needed to enable a stable and extremely complex system of offer and demand, smart enough to enable people to understand and participate, simple enough to be relevant and clearly understood.

I like freedomainradio.com, (Stefen Molyneux has done a massive work on anarchy, liberty as a philosophy of life, he has lots of videos on youtube too) even if I don't agree on everything.

I don't think a working anarchic society is for tomorrow though.

I was just contemplating that actually. The need for government means that (some) are untrustworthy. Authorities have always been employed to maintain peace, but too much government only leads to lack of accountability (which causes corruption that could disrupt public safety).

Authority has resorted to atrocities to establish and uphold its preferred version of "social harmony", which would otherwise be untenable, therefore to be an anarchist, in personal belief, is not illogical.

Yet, without dismantling weapons with indiscriminate effects, anarchy does not sound like a wise idea. So far I see few signs that many are willing to renounce nuclear weapons or refrain from the curiosity of manufacturing increasingly harmful technologies.

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Exactly, the government is just a proxy to the will of the people. It's a practical way to make public matters more efficient (border control, law, safety standards, education...) but over time people find it so comfortable to give their personal duties to someone else that they just get rid of whatever they don't want to do themselves.

By giving back their powers for practical reasons, people don't realize that they give up their freedoms and think they hold no responsibility anymore.

i agree with all of this 100%. i wish these were publicly favorable ideas, but i'm not about to try hard to do something about it. because then id be defeating my purpose to begin with.

I think that the key to attaining a peaceful coexistence is through finding beauty in everything. Find beauty in stupidity, greed, corruption, and lies. I doubt that people will ever be intelligent enough to establish harmony and cooperation. Even if they do become wise, I doubt they will ever be honest enough to not try to get one over on each other all the time. But, maybe through showing love and having lots and lots of (consensual) sex, people might become more happy and stop being such a**holes to each other.

Since I was the age of Number 1 Son or perhaps before have I many times danced such ideas through my head.

Each time recognizing, first you need a majority of people willing to let others live and think differently AND willing to cooperate swhere appropriate.

Each time recognizing - that ain't a gonna happen.

i love your words

I like it too, because the direction is correct. But I don't feel it like a destination.

Beauty, love, peace have been tried many times during history it was never enough to reach a critical mass. Every single time, the inertia of mankind crushed every artificial cluster of good will. Nevertheless all those attempts produced some valuable artifacts that we can study today, and your quote is one of these artifacts.
So I come to the conclusion: we have to go deeper, understand what is beauty, understand what is fairness, understanding where humanity comes from and what is the current direction, understand what are all the significant forces that governs the dynamics of mankind... and hack the system by grafting a clue that will grow and inescapably reveal the anomalies of humanity to itself. And it would at the same time reveal the beauty you talk about, it would have to reveal everything strongly enough to change people from within.

Well, as long as it works more than 50 percent of the time, it's a good path to take. Whatever works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetics

In the mean time, how do you keep the gangsters and bullies from eating your lunch?

ruveyn

Make friends of your enemies?

It'd never happen and if it ever did, I'd hate it - how would I make loads of money in such a world?

There is no such thing as a perfect world because everyone has a different idea of what perfect is. Anything capitalist is perfect in my books, just as long as I'm the side with all the money

I know this is off topic but, can someone tell me how to display my signature? I don't see it on the posts, but I can see it on my profile page. There is no option to publicly display it, but...shouldn't it just automatically attach to all the posts?

Three words - Iraqi national movement

I think, in theory, individualist anarchism sounds great but in the real world, the effect will be quite different. I hate the state and governments (public tyranny). But if you limit that system a far worse one will take it's place: private tyranny. That's why I kinda feel like I'm forced to be more supportive of voluntary collective (social) anarchism even though I'd probably hate being part of any collective (society).