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14 Jan 2011, 6:17 pm

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14 Jan 2011, 7:19 pm

An Eco-City in China? I'm incredibly skeptical. The Chinese government doesn't seem to care at all about enviromental destruction.



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14 Jan 2011, 7:27 pm

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An Eco-City in China? I'm incredibly skeptical. The Chinese government doesn't seem to care at all about enviromental destruction.


Think Potemkin Village. It is a great publicity stunt.

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14 Jan 2011, 8:39 pm

It could happen but it would be more worth while to create a clean energy infra-structure across the nation and connected into other nations, rather than develop a single eco city.


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14 Jan 2011, 9:04 pm

How many political prisoners will it take to build the eco city?


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14 Jan 2011, 9:12 pm

Good question.

People often ask, how much money would such a thing cost? The question should always be though, do we have the resources to do it?

I believe we can make the world a lot more sustainable than it is and avoid needless waste / pollution, but it is not going to fully happen unless we go beyond money.


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15 Jan 2011, 12:48 am

They would probably desolate the interior of China and cause famine and poverty to come up with the resources to impress the western world with their eco city on the coast. They would eventually need the green space of their eco city for more apartments and factories anyway. I think the world would be more impressed if China reformed it's industries. It's common knowledge among the Chinese locals which factories and power plants are causing bizarre birth defects and causing people to die young, but the communist party doesn't care.


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15 Jan 2011, 1:49 am

All of China could live in a few thousand of these. It would free up land to produce food. High speed rail, high voltage power transmission, Computers, China is in the lead.

Most cities were built for reasons that no longer exist, like along the Erie Canal, port, head of navigation, crossroads, or rail hub. Building these along the power transmission lines, with high speed rail, and they are connected for the future.

The land can be worthless, no need for local food production, which frees up deltas and lower rivers for farming. Currently the best land is used for ports, factories for export, and the people to run it, which calls for local food production.

Repairing old cities costs more than building new ones.

It is also a reward for the rising educated class, moving to the future.

The Middle Kingdom has vision.



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15 Jan 2011, 1:52 am

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15 Jan 2011, 5:13 pm

Need to bring up something i thought of because i saw someone mention factories.

Say we can move beyond money, making is obsolete. Companies no longer need to compete for market domination and to increase cyclical consumption to boost profits. If we do this, then products can be designed to LAST and we wont be bombarded by advertising for stuff we really don't need. This way, we can make better use of our resources by creating products that last a long time and we only have the things we need, instead of loads of waste and pollution being made by new products being consumed all the time.

Take this a step further; imagine we, as we hopefully do one day live in a world free from money where most tasks are automated by machines, where crime is not really profitable any more. We could create lots of small library style centres where people can check in and check out products such as say a football, a book, a camera etc. No money to do it. Free service for everyone. No clutter at home. Less resources needed to create said product.

This is the type of thing I dream of. It is difficult to achieve with the straggle hold the government, banks and corporations have on the current monetary system.

There are several issues which do need to be addressed. This is why I keep a close eye on the Zeitgeist movement. Some people follow it religiously. I do not. I do think it offers lots of solutions to our detrimental economic, political and social problems.

Ten minute summary of the Zeitgeist movement:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rAQeBx22cU[/youtube]


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15 Jan 2011, 7:28 pm

Inventor wrote:
All of China could live in a few thousand of these. It would free up land to produce food. High speed rail, high voltage power transmission, Computers, China is in the lead.

Most cities were built for reasons that no longer exist, like along the Erie Canal, port, head of navigation, crossroads, or rail hub. Building these along the power transmission lines, with high speed rail, and they are connected for the future.

The land can be worthless, no need for local food production, which frees up deltas and lower rivers for farming. Currently the best land is used for ports, factories for export, and the people to run it, which calls for local food production.

Repairing old cities costs more than building new ones.

It is also a reward for the rising educated class, moving to the future.

The Middle Kingdom has vision.


If we are to live vertically in cities then it makes sense to farm vertically in city sized multistory green houses.


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15 Jan 2011, 8:52 pm

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The Middle Kingdom has vision.


No doubt. But it is still run by political thugs.

Whistle blowers an vociferous protesters are not not treated kindly in The Middle Kingdom.

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16 Jan 2011, 11:42 am

richie wrote:
If we are to live vertically in cities then it makes sense to farm vertically in city sized multistory green houses.


Living the High Eco-life topic

This actually could be a sensible option. There are roof top gardens already. In terms of saving space, these legal grow ops are a great experiment. Abandoned apartment buildings in Detroit might have a second life. Give it a try.

Thanks, ritchie. :)


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16 Jan 2011, 3:43 pm

Roof top gardens also save a lot on heating costs as well :)


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17 Jan 2011, 2:16 am

350, million person cities, would house the US. the reduced power grid, rail lines, and high speed access to other cities would make for a rational use of resources. It would also spread water around, and sewer would become a raw material.

Siteing each on 100 square miles, uses up 35,000 square miles, and the rest can be a park.

From government to economy local choice would be like States, and none of the pork and kickbacks. What works works, and the market for better is there.

With food water, shelter, education, some will chose a minium standard life, others will want to produce and rent the better views. It will not be about hidden money, but about function and service.

Built right once, it will last for hundreds of years. By then the plains willl be covered in buffalo, the forests mature, and the fishing great.

Everything passes away except the land and sky.



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17 Jan 2011, 2:32 am

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Built right once, it will last for hundreds of years. By then the plains willl be covered in buffalo, the forests mature, and the fishing great.

Everything passes away except the land and sky.


Did you ever see that series of programs on cable: "Earth After Humans"? In the long run the earth and sky is what prevailed.

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