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Is this the most realistic abiogenesis model you ever read?
Yes 17%  17%  [ 1 ]
One of them 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Unlikely 17%  17%  [ 1 ]
No 67%  67%  [ 4 ]
God did it 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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17 Feb 2011, 11:07 am

In short: In the primordial soup. Clay crystals are trapped inside amphiphilic vesicles. The crystals as they grow copy crystal defects across the layers, the defects confer the crystals specific catalytic properties, when they brake, they replicate the information. The vesicles self assemble by simple amphiphilic molecules of the primordial soup. The vesicle molecules are very fluid, moving dynamically out side the vesicles membrane. The crystals polymerize other little molecules of the primordial soup that enter the vesicle. The polymers increase the osmotic pressure, stretching the membrane, resulting in a shift of the dynamic equilibrium of membrane molecules from the less stretch neighbours, to the stretched ones. They cannibalize each other. When they become too big, the vesicles split randomly in daughter vesicles. The system "reproduced", natural selection start doing its thing. At some point the polymers replace the crystals, after a while we end up with RNA and proteins.

more details then you probably want to read
start reading at 2.0, in 1.0 i just explain biochemistry as intuitively as i could
http://thechurchofthequantumimmortal.bl ... er-16.html

So, compared with competing models you have read, how do i fare?


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17 Feb 2011, 11:39 am

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So, compared with competing models you have read, how do i fare?

Poorly.

Come back when you have physical evidence rather than rambling guesses.


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17 Feb 2011, 11:46 am

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Quantum_Immortal wrote:
So, compared with competing models you have read, how do i fare?

Poorly.

Come back when you have physical evidence rather than rambling guesses.


poorly compared to what? Intelligent design?


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17 Feb 2011, 8:01 pm

Quantum_Immortal wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Quantum_Immortal wrote:
So, compared with competing models you have read, how do i fare?

Poorly.

Come back when you have physical evidence rather than rambling guesses.


poorly compared to what? Intelligent design?


Do you have any concept of physical or empirical evidence?

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17 Feb 2011, 8:42 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Quantum_Immortal wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Quantum_Immortal wrote:
So, compared with competing models you have read, how do i fare?

Poorly.

Come back when you have physical evidence rather than rambling guesses.


poorly compared to what? Intelligent design?


Do you have any concept of physical or empirical evidence?

ruveyn


You know of a beater model? You have to keep in mind that abiogenesis is an open question.

So, what is this other models that are beater then the present?


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17 Feb 2011, 9:38 pm

Quantum_Immortal wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Quantum_Immortal wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Quantum_Immortal wrote:
So, compared with competing models you have read, how do i fare?

Poorly.

Come back when you have physical evidence rather than rambling guesses.


poorly compared to what? Intelligent design?


Do you have any concept of physical or empirical evidence?

ruveyn


You know of a beater model? You have to keep in mind that abiogenesis is an open question.

So, what is this other models that are beater then the present?

Where is your evidence? It is not enough to say "other models are insufficient, therefore I can propose whatever the hell I want without regard to any plausibility." You need evidence, or you will be ignored.


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18 Feb 2011, 6:13 am

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Where is your evidence? It is not enough to say "other models are insufficient, therefore I can propose whatever the hell I want without regard to any plausibility." You need evidence, or you will be ignored.


Actually we are not ignoring him. We are admonishing him.

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19 Feb 2011, 6:47 pm

There's no point wildly hypothesising, if you can provide evidence or at the very least a high-quality mathematical/chemical model we will listen. Some of your postulates seem a little off. The "Clay Earth" theory is nothing new anyway, it was popularised in one of Dawkins's books. I find the "Primordial Soup" model more likely, as there is quite a bit of evidence for it. I have an open mind, but it's down to the evidence really.


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