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24 Mar 2011, 12:47 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
In allowing the rich to keep a segment of their money that most of them admit they wouldn't even miss at the expense of the poor is hard hearted.



Are we advocating stealing from the rich again? have you ever considered trying out for the part of Robinhood?

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24 Mar 2011, 12:51 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
In allowing the rich to keep a segment of their money that most of them admit they wouldn't even miss at the expense of the poor is hard hearted.



Are we advocating stealing from the rich again? have you ever considered trying out for the part of Robinhood?

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As a matter of fact...

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24 Mar 2011, 3:53 pm

Jesus would be a conservative Republican (Tea Partier, to be precise) and belong to a Fundamentalist denomination of Christianity. He would have supported laissez-faire economics, citing Hayak, von Mises, et al.



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24 Mar 2011, 5:12 pm

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Jesus would be a conservative Republican (Tea Partier, to be precise) and belong to a Fundamentalist denomination of Christianity. He would have supported laissez-faire economics, citing Hayak, von Mises, et al.


Since I'm an Aspie, I can't tell if you're serious or not. :?

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24 Mar 2011, 5:54 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
In allowing the rich to keep a segment of their money that most of them admit they wouldn't even miss at the expense of the poor is hard hearted.



Are we advocating stealing from the rich again? have you ever considered trying out for the part of Robinhood?

ruveyn

Maybe he just doesn't believe in absolute property rights. After all, there's no way you can claim that a person who makes millions by sitting on lots of title deeds has earned ALL of his wealth through his own sweat and labor. I'm not a full-blooded socialist, but it is worth noting that Marx did have a few good points.

Anyways, taxation is a social contract so it isn't the same as stealing. End of story.



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24 Mar 2011, 5:59 pm

marshall wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
In allowing the rich to keep a segment of their money that most of them admit they wouldn't even miss at the expense of the poor is hard hearted.



Are we advocating stealing from the rich again? have you ever considered trying out for the part of Robinhood?

ruveyn

Maybe he just doesn't believe in absolute property rights. After all, there's no way you can claim that a person who makes millions by sitting on lots of title deeds has earned ALL of his wealth through his own sweat and labor. I'm not a full-blooded socialist, but it is worth noting that Marx did have a few good points.

Anyways, taxation is a social contract so it isn't the same as stealing. End of story.


Actually, I do believe in property rights. But I also know that it's taxes that make the world go around. We as a society have chosen to levy taxes to pay for the cost of living in a civilized world. And taxes are best gotten from those who have the most material wealth.

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24 Mar 2011, 6:09 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Actually, I do believe in property rights.

There is a difference between property rights and absolute property rights. Absolute property rights is akin to feudalism.



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24 Mar 2011, 9:51 pm

marshall wrote:
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Actually, I do believe in property rights.

There is a difference between property rights and absolute property rights. Absolute property rights is akin to feudalism.


Feudalism BAD! BAD!

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25 Mar 2011, 3:19 am

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If Jesus were alive today ...

Who says he is not?! :wink:


Science and a bit of common sense.



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25 Mar 2011, 3:58 am

marshall wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
In allowing the rich to keep a segment of their money that most of them admit they wouldn't even miss at the expense of the poor is hard hearted.



Are we advocating stealing from the rich again? have you ever considered trying out for the part of Robinhood?

ruveyn

Maybe he just doesn't believe in absolute property rights. After all, there's no way you can claim that a person who makes millions by sitting on lots of title deeds has earned ALL of his wealth through his own sweat and labor. I'm not a full-blooded socialist, but it is worth noting that Marx did have a few good points.

Anyways, taxation is a social contract so it isn't the same as stealing. End of story.


Not the end of story. Not all taxes are just nor are they all for carrying out the 17 specific tasks specified in the Constitution. Taxation may legal but it is not always just. In many cases, taxation is legalized theft.

As to -earning- one's wealth, all that is legally required is that one acquires his property or income legally doing legal things. A person who wins a bet has not earned or produced anything. A person who times the sale of an asset skillfully has not produced anything. If we required that people could only acquire what they produced or sweated for most of us would be destitute.

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25 Mar 2011, 8:55 am

I don't believe Jesus existed at all.....



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25 Mar 2011, 12:23 pm

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I don't believe Jesus existed at all.....


While that had been a popular notion among historians long ago, the common consensus among academics today is that Jesus of Nazareth did in fact exist, and that he began a world religion. Whether he was the Son of God, and performed miracles, belongs to the realm of faith.

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26 Mar 2011, 1:52 pm

.. ever seen/read The Green Mile? So.. Yeah.



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26 Mar 2011, 4:43 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JeremyNJ1984 wrote:
I don't believe Jesus existed at all.....


While that had been a popular notion among historians long ago, the common consensus among academics today is that Jesus of Nazareth did in fact exist, and that he began a world religion. Whether he was the Son of God, and performed miracles, belongs to the realm of faith.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Constantine had more to do with that than did Jesus.

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26 Mar 2011, 4:55 pm

It was more of a gradual thing. First, it was Jesus, then Paul and the Apostles, then it was the early Church Fathers, and then Constantine.



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26 Mar 2011, 5:34 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JeremyNJ1984 wrote:
I don't believe Jesus existed at all.....


While that had been a popular notion among historians long ago, the common consensus among academics today is that Jesus of Nazareth did in fact exist, and that he began a world religion. Whether he was the Son of God, and performed miracles, belongs to the realm of faith.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Constantine had more to do with that than did Jesus.

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Constantine made Christianity into the legal religion of the empire, but for centuries before that, the Christian faith had spread from one end of the Roman world to the other. Without Cosntantine, Christianity probably wouldn't have become the almost sole religion of the west, but it doubtlessly would have still had numerous devotees.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer