I found out the cause of aspergers syndrome, no doubt

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27 Mar 2011, 5:26 pm

Why do people always search for logical explanations? I can already see it by looking at for example a neurotypical child. The cause of so called "asperger's syndrome" is that we didn't inherited the instinct of "consumption" (being a predator) from our parents. Neurotypicals got that feature, so they have a "resonance" with a society. I found this out, cuz I never felt any link/connection between me and my mother, I felt only that she takes care of me, but no motherly ties. So being an aspie means that you're a completely independent person. Friendship and love forms only from strong emotions, momentous experiences and empathies etc.



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27 Mar 2011, 5:30 pm

I would disagree with that; autistic people do prey on each other and do love each other. You may not have felt love from your mother because you didn't "echo" her emotions (you know how NTs echo each others' emotions when they're in each others' company?). It is unlikely that your mother did not love you, though I suppose it's possible.

Being "independent people" is probably a status better assigned to extreme introverts. Quite a few autistics are extroverted and/or very dependent on the company and opinions of other people. There are even people with AS who also have borderline personality disorder, which is the very opposite of being an independent person--BPD occurs when one has an unstable sense of identity, which results in intense, troubled relationships, problems with emotional control, and a shifting identity that depends on who you are with.

I don't think you are wholly off the mark. We are definitely less connected to NT society. Personally, I often feel like I am not part of the NT culture, and am studying it from the outside like an anthropologist. (Literally. That's why I took anthropology and sociology classes.) But I do not think this is the singular cause of autism; it is a major factor, but not the single cause.


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27 Mar 2011, 5:32 pm

That does not explain the causes to be honest.

The causes are more related to Neurological Plasticity and Neurological Hyperactivity in certain parts of the the brain, which may be attributed to by a multitude of varying genetic and environmental factors.


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27 Mar 2011, 5:47 pm

You all still try to explain things with logical thinking, human brains got nothing to do it. It doesn't matter in what emotional state we are, we will never be able to behave like NT'S, cuz we haven't inherited the instinct. You object because you want "the truth" to be on your side.



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27 Mar 2011, 5:55 pm

instinct is inherited to "us" differently because there are physical differences in our brains. I think logically and I think socially / emotionally as well. I see that we behave differently and can relate to such, but also examine the root causes.

Family relations as a baby / child / teenager as we are developing also affect how we become in future.


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27 Mar 2011, 6:06 pm

You look at it from a wrong point of view. It's the same situation when the teacher in the class coughs to shut up whispering students, but aspie understands it directly.



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27 Mar 2011, 7:36 pm

Aspies can hurt/love/manipulate, usually they just aren't as good at it as NT's. And yes, I have met Aspies who can do all these things.


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27 Mar 2011, 10:49 pm

Saying that autistics are not "predatory," or competitive, is more a description of autism than an explanation of what causes it. The two are not equivalent.



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27 Mar 2011, 11:04 pm

Peko wrote:
Aspies can hurt/love/manipulate, usually they just aren't as good at it as NT's. And yes, I have met Aspies who can do all these things.


I'd say there's different degrees on each of those of how hard it is for us.

Manipulation, like you said, is definitely not impossible. Yet it's probably the one of those three that we find the hardest.

From what I've seen, we seem just as capable of hurting others as anyone else, and have the same range of capabilities of hurting people as nonautistic people have.

As far as love, that's complicated because there are multiple meanings to the word. But general affectionate love, such as between mother and child, is not usually impaired in autistic people. They have done some amount of research showing we do in fact have the same attachment to our parents when young as everyone else. That's overall, of course, and any individuals might be outliers.

Personally, I have hurt people (although I try my best not to, but just this morning I snapped at my mother for no good reason), I have rarely if ever manipulated (and am terrible at it), and I love just as well as anyone else does (both in the affectionate sense and in the ethical sense). Two of the most manipulative people I've ever met were autistic, but they're outliers in the scheme of things, it is very difficult for most of us to manipulate. Hurt and love, not usually so difficult.


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27 Mar 2011, 11:05 pm

another_1 wrote:
Saying that autistics are not "predatory," or competitive, is more a description of autism than an explanation of what causes it. The two are not equivalent.


Definitely.

Also we can be predatory or competitive. We're not immune to general human failings (overall -- any individual autistic person may not be predatory or competitive, but it's certainly not beyond us-as-a-whole, and I've been treated horribly by people who manage to be both predatory and autistic).


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28 Mar 2011, 4:39 am

You just still don't understand. Neurotypicals behave based on their true nature(which consists facial expressions, body language etc), aspergers DOES NOT have it. Having emotions DOES NOT mean that you can act as an NT and your brain functioning has got NOTHING to do with it.



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28 Mar 2011, 4:51 am

Dizzee wrote:
You all still try to explain things with logical thinking, human brains got nothing to do it.


Tell that to someone who has spent thirty years trying to study the brain, then shield yourself when they begin throwing stuff at you. You are not even wrong if you are trying to argue that humans do not understand quite a bit about how the brain works.

People who do not know what a sigmoid function is, do not deserve to weigh in on matters of distributed neural processing.


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28 Mar 2011, 4:57 am

The brain has everything to do with everything. It is the CPU for the human body. We don't know everything about the brain or autism yet but by studying an autistics brain you can kind of put the pieces together.


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28 Mar 2011, 5:06 am

Dizzee wrote:
You just still don't understand. Neurotypicals behave based on their true nature(which consists facial expressions, body language etc), aspergers DOES NOT have it. Having emotions DOES NOT mean that you can act as an NT and your brain functioning has got NOTHING to do with it.


I find it interesting that you are saying everyone that's replied is wrong for looking for a logical source for Autism, then turn around and state a theory based on logic.

Yes, there must be a logical explanation for why some are born with Autism and some aren't. Did we inherit a gene or several genes in just the right order to cause Autism, or did we end up missing something from our parents that's vital to being neurotypical?

Either way, logic is being used here and rightfully so.

The main problem with this debate, though, is that we are all operating on insufficient information. Some fill in the blanks with their own life experiences/opinions and some throw their hands up and say "I have no clue why I have Autism".


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28 Mar 2011, 5:21 am

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Having emotions DOES NOT mean that you can act as an NT and your brain functioning has got NOTHING to do with it


Maybe we are wrong after all. Maybe it is the liver or left index finger which determines one's emotions...

Nah. The moment I hear something like this I consign it to "things so wrong that no amount of explanation will make them coherent."

If you do not think that autism or behaviour is a matter of the brain's functioning, there is literally nothing that we can do to correct your beliefs in any reasonable length of time.


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