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Mdyar
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06 Apr 2011, 12:36 am

Here is a visual working memory test that I stumbled upon in a ADD forum:

http://www.neurogenol.com/neurogenol/im ... 8fc348fa15

This one is more abstract in that you have to familiarize yourself with the elements of the test. I guess it could be likened to learning something new /novel from scratch or a measure of your non verbal fluid intelligence.

Not sure on the efficacy of it, but it didn't surprise me to score in the senior citizen range. And I've had problems with working memory in other areas, such as remembering oral instructions( auditory processing) and 'losing it' easily if it was multi stepped.

All been a consuming problem.

So how did you all fare?



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06 Apr 2011, 12:54 am

My Google Chrome browser is telling me "www.neurogenol.com contains malware. Your computer might catch a virus if you visit this site." and won't let me through. Can anyone verify it actually has a virus?

*considers time-effort investment in firing up the virtual machine*

*fires up virtual machine*

*installing firefox inside the virtual machine because IE isn't loading the flash file correctly*



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06 Apr 2011, 1:21 am

Bugs in chrome?

Chrome is doing this where other browsers are clear from what I've gathered.

Link is in post # 8 in the ADD forum: http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthr ... ?p=1057633

Might make it feel a little safer.



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06 Apr 2011, 1:24 am

yeah Chrome is definitely freaking out about this one

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What happened when Google visited this site?
Of the 4 pages that we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 4 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time that Google visited this site was on 2011-04-04, and the last time that suspicious content was found on this site was on 2011-04-04.
Malicious software includes 2 scripting exploit(s), 1 trojan(s). Successful infection resulted in an average of 3 new process(es) on the target machine.

Malicious software is hosted on 6 domain(s), including khcol.com/, photoscannerantivxp.com/, scannerantivsearchable.com/.

3 domain(s) appear to be functioning as intermediaries for distributing malware to visitors of this site, including chantier.ci/, khcol.com/, scannerantivsearchable.com/.

This site was hosted on 1 network(s) including AS4768 (Telstra Clear Ltd).



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06 Apr 2011, 2:17 am

I fired up the virtual-box VM and ran it inside of flash-enabled firefox. Firefox 4 ALSO freaked out, but it didn't matter to me because if a virus is installed on the virtual machine, all I have to do is press the virtual machine's "reset button" and the virtual machine is isolated away from the rest of the computer, so the rest of the computer isn't threatened.

Here's my score profile:

Correct Answers: 53
Incorrect Answers: 7
Average response time: 636.5 ms
Average accuracy score: 88.33%
Performance Brain Age: 48

My actual age is 23, so this implies I'm significantly worse in visual working memory than the average 23 old. Haha... that seems to correlate well with other inferred deficiencies, I guess. :lol: But, on the other hand, I noticed that I apparently mixed up "yes"/"no" and the direction arrows for at least 3 answers and I *know* I would've got them right otherwise, so my 'actual score' is at least 56/60.

Btw, according to my research into IQ and visual working memory, it's *very unlikely* my actual visual working memory is worse than my peers, since visual working memory is highly correlated with nonverbal IQ and my nonverbal IQ is typically measured to be in the 135-145 range (Also, I'm a mental algebra champ, and I'm *definitely* within the top 3rd percentile of that ability and that's purported to be directly dependent on visual working memory.). So, I'm thinking this test might not be *that* accurate in guessing one's "Performance Brain Age". Of course, it could be, and I'm just deficient in ways that I really don't want to be.



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06 Apr 2011, 3:59 am

Not working for me either and I use firefox. It says it has a virus on it and I refuse to get into it.



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06 Apr 2011, 4:57 am

ya it's saying it's an attack page on FF4



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06 Apr 2011, 12:40 pm

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Not working for me either and I use firefox. It says it has a virus on it and I refuse to get into it.
Same here. Firefox.

I'm gonna guess they got attacked by some hacker or something. Table this and repost when the site is clean.


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06 Apr 2011, 11:51 pm

swbluto wrote:
Performance Brain Age: 48

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My actual age is 23, so this implies I'm significantly worse in visual working memory than the average 23 old. Haha... that seems to correlate well with other inferred deficiencies, I guess. :lol: But, on the other hand, I noticed that I apparently mixed up "yes"/"no" and the direction arrows for at least 3 answers and I *know* I would've got them right otherwise, so my 'actual score' is at least 56/60.


Ahh, but that is part of this. I stumbled here too and this is executive functioning, or lack thereof.

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Btw, according to my research into IQ and visual working memory, it's *very unlikely* my actual visual working memory is worse than my peers, since visual working memory is highly correlated with nonverbal IQ and my nonverbal IQ is typically measured to be in the 135-145 range (Also, I'm a mental algebra champ, and I'm *definitely* within the top 3rd percentile of that ability and that's purported to be directly dependent on visual working memory.). So, I'm thinking this test might not be *that* accurate in guessing one's "Performance Brain Age". Of course, it could be, and I'm just deficient in ways that I really don't want to be.


Once I learn something I'm fine. It's the trouble getting there. My visual spatial IQ is +3 standard deviations, and strong math ability runs in the family, but "working memory" when doing IQ tests with the nonverbal, you have it all in front of your eyes to manipulate.

Working memory across most domains has been my achilles heel.

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The perspectives of Baddeley and Engle share in common with my own ~e.g., Diamond,1990, 2002! that simply holding information in mind is not that taxing ~unless the number of items becomes very large! and does not generally require involvement of dorsolateral
prefrontal cortex . It is when holding information in mind must be combined with another operation, such as manipulation ~which Baddeley emphasized! or inhibition which Engle and I have emphasized!, that cognitive capacity is truly taxed and the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex is
required. I have argued that inhibition and holding information in mind are dissociable in that they can be independently varied, although it
is their conjunction that requires dorsolateralprefrontal cortex involvement. There is general
agreement that the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex is needed when one must both maintain
information in mind and perform another operation
~such as working with that information
or inhibiting a strong response tendency; for reviews, see D’Esposito, Postle, & Rypma,2000; Owen, 1997; Petrides, 1996; Smith,
Jonides, Marshuetz, & Koeppe, 1998;!.
Activation of the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex is more likely to be increased if you are asked to add numbers or repeat them backward
~backward digit span! than if you are asked to simply repeat them ~forward digit span!. Simply repeating back digits in the order in which you have heard them does not require working with the information held in mind; it does not require working memory. Patients with prefrontal damage often show no impairment on forward digit span, although they perform worse than controls on backward digit span ~Stuss & Benson, 1986!. Mixed groups of children with ADHD and0or
ADD also perform worse than controls on backward, but not forward, digit span ~Mariani & Barkley, 1997; McInnes, Humphries,
Hogg–Johnson, & Tannock, 2003; Milich &
Loney, 1979; Shue&Douglas, 1992! and backward, but not forward, spatial span ~McInnes
et al., 2003!.
Similarly, frontal patients and children with ADD have problems when they have to add or manipulate numbers in their head ~Barkley
et al., 1990; Benedetto–Nasho & Tannock,
1999; Hynd et al., 1991;Welsh & Pennington,
1988; Zentall & Smith, 1993! or when they have to compute two-step problems in their heads, although they can solve each step individually
~Barbizet, 1970; Barkley, 1997; Luria,
1973!. They can remember an item as well as anyone. Their deficit becomes evident as the
number of items increases and as the demands on manipulating those items increase.



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07 Apr 2011, 12:13 am

Mdyar wrote:
swbluto wrote:
Performance Brain Age: 48

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My actual age is 23, so this implies I'm significantly worse in visual working memory than the average 23 old. Haha... that seems to correlate well with other inferred deficiencies, I guess. :lol: But, on the other hand, I noticed that I apparently mixed up "yes"/"no" and the direction arrows for at least 3 answers and I *know* I would've got them right otherwise, so my 'actual score' is at least 56/60.


Ahh, but that is part of this. I stumbled here too and this is executive functioning, or lack thereof.


It's true that's a part of executive functioning, but visual working memory is only one subcategory of executive functioning. I believe the executive functioning model goes... "visual working memory", "phonological loop" and then "executive control"(I'd have to look it up on wikipedia.) and arrow-key+yes/no associations would probably be associated with executive control. When the Wechsler Memory Scale tests visual working memory, they don't rely on remembering "physical body" / "directional concept" associations for input, as it's just "place the dots where they're supposed to go", which presumably more directly taps 'visual working memory'.

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Btw, according to my research into IQ and visual working memory, it's *very unlikely* my actual visual working memory is worse than my peers, since visual working memory is highly correlated with nonverbal IQ and my nonverbal IQ is typically measured to be in the 135-145 range (Also, I'm a mental algebra champ, and I'm *definitely* within the top 3rd percentile of that ability and that's purported to be directly dependent on visual working memory.). So, I'm thinking this test might not be *that* accurate in guessing one's "Performance Brain Age". Of course, it could be, and I'm just deficient in ways that I really don't want to be.


Once I learn something I'm fine. It's the trouble getting there. My visual spatial IQ is +3 standard deviations, and strong math ability runs in the family, but "working memory" when doing IQ tests with the nonverbal, you have it all in front of your eyes to manipulate.

Working memory across most domains has been my achilles heel.


Hmm.... interesting, I suppose it's possible I might have working memory issues, as well. I'm suspecting some kind of "memory issues" given how slowly I complete history tests compared to my normal peers and how long it seems it takes me to recall relatively common words, sometimes, so I guess that wouldn't surprise me. Well, I'll find out when I get my memory tested with the WMS within 2-3 months! Has your memory and/or working memory ever been professionally tested?



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07 Apr 2011, 12:23 am

I'm on Safari and getting warnings too, including about a trojan. Even though I'm on a Mac I don't want the trouble. Not going there.


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07 Apr 2011, 12:36 am

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I'm on Safari and getting warnings too, including about a trojan. Even though I'm on a Mac I don't want the trouble. Not going there.


I have internet explorer # 8 on Vista and * free malware and virus* from microsoft. and I must be missing something , because when it scans it will find something embedded that is malicious including trojans.

I'm sick of 8 too because I'm not getting email replies from WP again. You tube hangs and there have been several times where it won't load the browser but I can shortcut to you tube off the desk top.



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07 Apr 2011, 12:57 am

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Performance Brain Age: 48

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My actual age is 23, so this implies I'm significantly worse in visual working memory than the average 23 old. Haha... that seems to correlate well with other inferred deficiencies, I guess. :lol: But, on the other hand, I noticed that I apparently mixed up "yes"/"no" and the direction arrows for at least 3 answers and I *know* I would've got them right otherwise, so my 'actual score' is at least 56/60.


Ahh, but that is part of this. I stumbled here too and this is executive functioning, or lack thereof.


It's true that's a part of executive functioning, but visual working memory is only one subcategory of executive functioning. I believe the executive functioning model goes... "visual working memory", "phonological loop" and then "executive control"(I'd have to look it up on wikipedia.) and arrow-key+yes/no associations would probably be associated with executive control. When the Wechsler Memory Scale tests visual working memory, they don't rely on remembering "physical body" / "directional concept" associations for input, as it's just "place the dots where they're supposed to go", which presumably more directly taps 'visual working memory'.

Quote:
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Btw, according to my research into IQ and visual working memory, it's *very unlikely* my actual visual working memory is worse than my peers, since visual working memory is highly correlated with nonverbal IQ and my nonverbal IQ is typically measured to be in the 135-145 range (Also, I'm a mental algebra champ, and I'm *definitely* within the top 3rd percentile of that ability and that's purported to be directly dependent on visual working memory.). So, I'm thinking this test might not be *that* accurate in guessing one's "Performance Brain Age". Of course, it could be, and I'm just deficient in ways that I really don't want to be.


Once I learn something I'm fine. It's the trouble getting there. My visual spatial IQ is +3 standard deviations, and strong math ability runs in the family, but "working memory" when doing IQ tests with the nonverbal, you have it all in front of your eyes to manipulate.

Working memory across most domains has been my achilles heel.


Hmm.... interesting, I suppose it's possible I might have working memory issues, as well. I'm suspecting some kind of "memory issues" given how slowly I complete history tests compared to my normal peers and how long it seems it takes me to recall relatively common words, sometimes, so I guess that wouldn't surprise me. Well, I'll find out when I get my memory tested with the WMS within 2-3 months! Has your memory and/or working memory ever been professionally tested?[/quote]
No.

That ADD qoute is something that was posted by another member and the paper really spelled out my issues. AS folk can have the same issues.

There is a "cognitive sluggish tempo" that the paper touched on too and this is another issue that waxes and wanes on a cycle. I've self medicated with pharmaceuticals in the 90's ( bought overseas) to desperately try to "speed this up' but somewhat came up short overall. I've found the best improvements in memory and much less of this phenomenon with supplements of lecithin and Acetyl l Carnitine.... both cognitive enhancers.
At the time I didnt know of ADD or possibly Aspergers, and probably little was known about it then too.



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09 Apr 2011, 11:48 am

Geez, I picked up an "Aspergers" book while I was inside Barnes and Noble yesterday, and they had an entire chapter on executive functioning, working memory, attention and the such (Presumably because those on the autism spectrum usually score worse than average). That was interesting to skim over - I'd imagine there'd be similar information online somewhere.

So, anyway, I've become obsessed over getting an accurate assessment of my working memory, and in the middle of the search, I came across this research: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14580078

"Spatial working memory ability is a marker of risk-for-psychosis.
Wood SJ, Pantelis C, Proffitt T, Phillips LJ, Stuart GW, Buchanan JA, Mahony K, Brewer W, Smith DJ, McGorry PD.

Cognitive Neuropsychiatry Research & Academic Unit, PACE Clinic, Department of Psychiatry, University of Melbourne, Sunshine Hospital, St Albans, VIC, Australia.
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BACKGROUND: Working memory has been identified as a core cognitive deficit in schizophrenia that is associated with negative symptoms, but it is unclear whether it is impaired prior to onset of psychosis in symptomatic patients.

METHOD: Thirty-eight young people at ultra high-risk (UHR) of developing psychosis (of whom nine later became psychotic) were compared with 49 healthy controls on tests of spatial working memory (SWM) and delayed matching-to-sample (DMTS).

RESULTS: Both SWM and DMTS performance was significantly poorer in the UHR groups. Those who later became psychotic generally performed more poorly than those who did not, although this did not reach significance for any measure. A significant association between SWM errors and negative symptoms was seen in the later-psychotic group only (P = 0.02).

CONCLUSIONS: Spatial working memory abilities are impaired in those at high-risk for psychosis. The relationship between working memory and negative symptoms may be useful as a predictive tool."

That's interesting! Now, it's suddenly become mandatory that I find an accurate assessment for my working memory! I'm thinking of saving the spatial working memory test's .swf and hosting it on some server somewhere, so that taking the test will no longer have the "virus warning", and that way more people will take it and we can get a more accurate idea of "typical testing results".



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09 Apr 2011, 2:45 pm

Correct Answers: 58
Incorrect Answers: 2 (although they were mistakes! I knew the answers, and bumped the wrong key).
Average Response Time: 580.65 ms
Average Accuracy Score: 96.66%
Performance Brain Age: 12.48

Well, I will be 27 in two days, so I guess my mind is still doing pretty well! lol



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09 Apr 2011, 2:46 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Not working for me either and I use firefox. It says it has a virus on it and I refuse to get into it.


Didn't say there was a virus on it for me. 8O I hope it didn't give me one!