Mormons are Commies ("prove" me wrong)
- Mormons are anarchist utopian socialists. (they call it the law of consecration or united order)
- there were Mormons at the 4th international.
- Plotino Contantino Rhodakanaty (mexican anarchist and labor radical) was a Mormon
- the tolstoyians (russian xtian anarchists) sang mormon hymns.
- they run their own sectarian welfare state.
- they swear in their temples to live comunally
- Karl Marx's sponsor when he moved to Britian was a Mormon.
- a link to a mormon anarchist (libertarian socialist) newspaper
so how can Glenn Beck and Mit Romney belong to this church
and still call themselves conservatives?
to which doctrine are they being unfaithful, the mormon or the republican?
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We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??
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Inuyasha wrote:
People can be of the same religion and have very different political views.
Sure, but Religion can also be founded upon certain political ideologies. Religiousity probably correlates to Political orientation; Devout Muslims won't be voting for pro-gay, pro-abortion parties
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ryan93 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
People can be of the same religion and have very different political views.
Sure, but Religion can also be founded upon certain political ideologies. Religiousity probably correlates to Political orientation; Devout Muslims won't be voting for pro-gay, pro-abortion parties
I kinda think you're wrong there. Pro-gay, pro-reproductive choice parties also tend to be parties that have policies most welcoming to immigrants and religious minorities. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim congressman, is a Democrat and a rather progressive one at that. Most Canadian Muslims (who do tend to be a bit more liberal than Muslims in general) vote for Liberal or NDP (both pro-gay rights/pro-reproductive choice parties).
Inuyasha wrote:
People can be of the same religion and have very different political views.
Yet they can't sit on education boards or be casual aquaintances with people of very different political views?
Verses 4 to 8 in section 98 of Doctrine and Covenants, talks about the how the Saints should "befriend" the Constitution.
Quote:
And now, verily I say unto you concerning the laws of the land, it is my will that my people should observe to do all things whatsoever I command them.
And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil;
I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.
And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil;
I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.
Master_Pedant wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
People can be of the same religion and have very different political views.
Yet they can't sit on education boards or be casual aquaintances with people of very different political views?
Ezra Taft Benson while a member of Quorum of The Twelve Apostles was given permission from David O. McKay for him to sever as Secretary of Agriculture in the Eisenhower Administration.
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ryan93 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
People can be of the same religion and have very different political views.
Sure, but Religion can also be founded upon certain political ideologies. Religiousity probably correlates to Political orientation; Devout Muslims won't be voting for pro-gay, pro-abortion parties
That explains why they probably are voting for Democrats....
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
People can be of the same religion and have very different political views.
No they can't.
Sure they can. There are Catholics in the Labour Party, and Catholics in the Conservative party. Muslims in the Labour Party, Muslims in the Conservatives. They are just emphasising different aspects of their faith. Traditional values, social justice etc.
ryan93 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
People can be of the same religion and have very different political views.
Sure, but Religion can also be founded upon certain political ideologies. Religiousity probably correlates to Political orientation; Devout Muslims won't be voting for pro-gay, pro-abortion parties
You don't think there are any gay Muslims?
cdfox7 wrote:
Verses 4 to 8 in section 98 of Doctrine and Covenants, talks about the how the Saints should "befriend" the Constitution.
Quote:
And now, verily I say unto you concerning the laws of the land, it is my will that my people should observe to do all things whatsoever I command them.
And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil;
I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.
And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil;
I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.
so mormons are constitutionalists.
incompatible with communism? socialism? not really
incompatible with anarchy strangely, no anarchist spain called itself a republic.
good points but I am not convienced.
_________________
?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??
http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/
JakobVirgil wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
Verses 4 to 8 in section 98 of Doctrine and Covenants, talks about the how the Saints should "befriend" the Constitution.
Quote:
And now, verily I say unto you concerning the laws of the land, it is my will that my people should observe to do all things whatsoever I command them.
And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil;
I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.
And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil;
I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.
so mormons are constitutionalists.
incompatible with communism? socialism? not really
incompatible with anarchy strangely, no anarchist spain called itself a republic.
good points but I am not convienced.
Ok then more proof the 12th Article of Faith
Quote:
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaing the law.
cdfox7 wrote:
JakobVirgil from the Mormon view point of the history of world there is only one group of people who have successfully lived
the law of consecration. So please tell everyone who that group was?
the law of consecration. So please tell everyone who that group was?
I would have to cheat with a google search or call one of my mormon anarchist friends.
but my guesses would be.
- the jakobian jerusalem community [the poor of jerusalem]
- Navuoo
- some "city" from the book of mormon
- Brighams Youngs Deseret
what is it?
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?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??
http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/
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