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26 May 2011, 12:00 pm

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I just heard Loughner will be treated for Paranoid Schizophrenia so he's competent to stand trial.


how exactly does that make him comptent to stand trial....I'm not following.

He will be sent to a psychiatric facility where Psychiatrists will work on making him competent so he can help in his own defense. Until he can help, he cannot be tried.
His symptoms are interfering with his ability to help his trial lawyers.



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26 May 2011, 12:07 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I just heard Loughner will be treated for Paranoid Schizophrenia so he's competent to stand trial.


how exactly does that make him comptent to stand trial....I'm not following.

He will be sent to a psychiatric facility where Psychiatrists will work on making him competent so he can help in his own defense. Until he can help, he cannot be tried.
His symptoms are interfering with his ability to help his trial lawyers.


Well I guess I can see that, but if the crime was commited while he was suffering from the symptoms of this condition then I would hope they take that into account when it comes time for the trial.



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26 May 2011, 12:10 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I just heard Loughner will be treated for Paranoid Schizophrenia so he's competent to stand trial.


how exactly does that make him comptent to stand trial....I'm not following.

He will be sent to a psychiatric facility where Psychiatrists will work on making him competent so he can help in his own defense. Until he can help, he cannot be tried.
His symptoms are interfering with his ability to help his trial lawyers.


Well I guess I can see that, but if the crime was commited while he was suffering from the symptoms of this condition then I would hope they take that into account when it comes time for the trial.

Even if he is found not guilty by reason of insanity, he will be locked up for the rest of his life in a facility, at least that's what's reported on CNN.



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26 May 2011, 12:16 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I just heard Loughner will be treated for Paranoid Schizophrenia so he's competent to stand trial.


how exactly does that make him comptent to stand trial....I'm not following.

He will be sent to a psychiatric facility where Psychiatrists will work on making him competent so he can help in his own defense. Until he can help, he cannot be tried.
His symptoms are interfering with his ability to help his trial lawyers.


Well I guess I can see that, but if the crime was commited while he was suffering from the symptoms of this condition then I would hope they take that into account when it comes time for the trial.

Even if he is found not guilty by reason of insanity, he will be locked up for the rest of his life in a facility, at least that's what's reported on CNN.

Well if that turns out to be the best thing to do then its understandable......but whatever decision is made needs to be based on facts not peoples desire for revenge.



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26 May 2011, 12:33 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I just heard Loughner will be treated for Paranoid Schizophrenia so he's competent to stand trial.


how exactly does that make him comptent to stand trial....I'm not following.

He will be sent to a psychiatric facility where Psychiatrists will work on making him competent so he can help in his own defense. Until he can help, he cannot be tried.
His symptoms are interfering with his ability to help his trial lawyers.


Well I guess I can see that, but if the crime was commited while he was suffering from the symptoms of this condition then I would hope they take that into account when it comes time for the trial.

Even if he is found not guilty by reason of insanity, he will be locked up for the rest of his life in a facility, at least that's what's reported on CNN.

Well if that turns out to be the best thing to do then its understandable......but whatever decision is made needs to be based on facts not peoples desire for revenge.

Well, he did shoot somebody, Sweetleaf. There are plenty of people with Schizophrenia who never do that. Shouldn't he be held somewhat responsible?



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26 May 2011, 12:46 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I just heard Loughner will be treated for Paranoid Schizophrenia so he's competent to stand trial.


how exactly does that make him comptent to stand trial....I'm not following.

He will be sent to a psychiatric facility where Psychiatrists will work on making him competent so he can help in his own defense. Until he can help, he cannot be tried.
His symptoms are interfering with his ability to help his trial lawyers.


Well I guess I can see that, but if the crime was commited while he was suffering from the symptoms of this condition then I would hope they take that into account when it comes time for the trial.

Even if he is found not guilty by reason of insanity, he will be locked up for the rest of his life in a facility, at least that's what's reported on CNN.

Well if that turns out to be the best thing to do then its understandable......but whatever decision is made needs to be based on facts not peoples desire for revenge.

Well, he did shoot somebody, Sweetleaf. There are plenty of people with Schizophrenia who never do that. Shouldn't he be held somewhat responsible?

I think I am aware of what took place.......all I am saying is the charges have to be based on fact. Depending on how much of a role the mental issues played in the crime would determine how much responsibility he should take. Obviously its not right to shoot people so there should be a penalty. And yes its quite likely keeping him somewhere, where he cannot cause harm to anyone else is the right thing to do.



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26 May 2011, 12:59 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I just heard Loughner will be treated for Paranoid Schizophrenia so he's competent to stand trial.


how exactly does that make him comptent to stand trial....I'm not following.

He will be sent to a psychiatric facility where Psychiatrists will work on making him competent so he can help in his own defense. Until he can help, he cannot be tried.
His symptoms are interfering with his ability to help his trial lawyers.


Well I guess I can see that, but if the crime was commited while he was suffering from the symptoms of this condition then I would hope they take that into account when it comes time for the trial.


Arizona has a law where someone can be found "Guilty but insane". This means that he would be sent to a secure hospital until he is "rendered sane" at which time he would be transferred to a prison.



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26 May 2011, 1:01 pm

bergie wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I just heard Loughner will be treated for Paranoid Schizophrenia so he's competent to stand trial.


how exactly does that make him comptent to stand trial....I'm not following.

He will be sent to a psychiatric facility where Psychiatrists will work on making him competent so he can help in his own defense. Until he can help, he cannot be tried.
His symptoms are interfering with his ability to help his trial lawyers.


Well I guess I can see that, but if the crime was commited while he was suffering from the symptoms of this condition then I would hope they take that into account when it comes time for the trial.


Arizona has a law where someone can be found "Guilty but insane". This means that he would be sent to a secure hospital until he is "rendered sane" at which time he would be transferred to a prison.

Thanks for the info but what about the federal laws?



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26 May 2011, 1:06 pm

bergie wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I just heard Loughner will be treated for Paranoid Schizophrenia so he's competent to stand trial.


how exactly does that make him comptent to stand trial....I'm not following.

He will be sent to a psychiatric facility where Psychiatrists will work on making him competent so he can help in his own defense. Until he can help, he cannot be tried.
His symptoms are interfering with his ability to help his trial lawyers.


Well I guess I can see that, but if the crime was commited while he was suffering from the symptoms of this condition then I would hope they take that into account when it comes time for the trial.


Arizona has a law where someone can be found "Guilty but insane". This means that he would be sent to a secure hospital until he is "rendered sane" at which time he would be transferred to a prison.


I think that is a little bit ridiculous especially if he has Paranoid Schizophrenia......in that case it can't really be cured so prison would not be the appropriate place for him. I can undertand having him sent to a secure mental hospital but I would not agree with prison. Also from my understanding before this whole thing took place people knew there was something going on with the guy and no one did anything about it(at least that is the picture I got from all the news articles and such).



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26 May 2011, 1:11 pm

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I think that is a little bit ridiculous especially if he has Paranoid Schizophrenia......in that case it can't really be cured so prison would not be the appropriate place for him.


Yeah but it is Arizona.



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26 May 2011, 1:14 pm

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I think that is a little bit ridiculous especially if he has Paranoid Schizophrenia......in that case it can't really be cured so prison would not be the appropriate place for him.


Yeah but it is Arizona.


That is no excuse.



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26 May 2011, 1:16 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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I think that is a little bit ridiculous especially if he has Paranoid Schizophrenia......in that case it can't really be cured so prison would not be the appropriate place for him.


Yeah but it is Arizona.


That is no excuse.


I agree. I was just saying that Arizona has some messed up laws because a lot of the people living here are more emotional than logical.



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26 May 2011, 1:16 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
bergie wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I just heard Loughner will be treated for Paranoid Schizophrenia so he's competent to stand trial.


how exactly does that make him comptent to stand trial....I'm not following.

He will be sent to a psychiatric facility where Psychiatrists will work on making him competent so he can help in his own defense. Until he can help, he cannot be tried.
His symptoms are interfering with his ability to help his trial lawyers.


Well I guess I can see that, but if the crime was commited while he was suffering from the symptoms of this condition then I would hope they take that into account when it comes time for the trial.


Arizona has a law where someone can be found "Guilty but insane". This means that he would be sent to a secure hospital until he is "rendered sane" at which time he would be transferred to a prison.


I think that is a little bit ridiculous especially if he has Paranoid Schizophrenia......in that case it can't really be cured so prison would not be the appropriate place for him. I can undertand having him sent to a secure mental hospital but I would not agree with prison. Also from my understanding before this whole thing took place people knew there was something going on with the guy and no one did anything about it(at least that is the picture I got from all the news articles and such).

The courts won't release him to a prison until he is stabilized enough. I think it's a good idea. One thing for sure, he doesn't need to be released into society because he could relapse and kill someone else.



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26 May 2011, 1:20 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
bergie wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I just heard Loughner will be treated for Paranoid Schizophrenia so he's competent to stand trial.


how exactly does that make him comptent to stand trial....I'm not following.

He will be sent to a psychiatric facility where Psychiatrists will work on making him competent so he can help in his own defense. Until he can help, he cannot be tried.
His symptoms are interfering with his ability to help his trial lawyers.


Well I guess I can see that, but if the crime was commited while he was suffering from the symptoms of this condition then I would hope they take that into account when it comes time for the trial.


Arizona has a law where someone can be found "Guilty but insane". This means that he would be sent to a secure hospital until he is "rendered sane" at which time he would be transferred to a prison.


I think that is a little bit ridiculous especially if he has Paranoid Schizophrenia......in that case it can't really be cured so prison would not be the appropriate place for him. I can undertand having him sent to a secure mental hospital but I would not agree with prison. Also from my understanding before this whole thing took place people knew there was something going on with the guy and no one did anything about it(at least that is the picture I got from all the news articles and such).

The courts won't release him to a prison until he is stabilized enough. I think it's a good idea. One thing for sure, he doesn't need to be released into society because he could relapse and kill someone else.


That's just the thing paranoid schizophrenia cannot be cured.....so there can be temporary stalization but not complete stablization so prison is not the right thing in my opinion.



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26 May 2011, 1:32 pm

You have to wonder.... Paranoid Schizophrenia doesn't automatically mean someone will be violent. Can his symptoms really account for the fact that he committed murders or is that something else, entirely? Sure he had symptoms, but he took it to another level.



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26 May 2011, 1:37 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
You have to wonder.... Paranoid Schizophrenia doesn't automatically mean someone will be violent. Can his symptoms really account for the fact that he committed murders or is that something else, entirely? Sure he had symptoms, but he took it to another level.


Well if you think I am suggesting that I think Paranoid Schizophrenia automatically makes one violent you are quite wrong. My point is more that is a pretty severe mental illness so a mental hospital would be a lot more appropriate then prision. Considering prison is a very harsh environment and could make matters worse.