14 Jun 2011, 6:07 pm
dionysian wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Yeah... that would only apply if you actually provide facts or evidence, which you never do.
The mere fact that I am saying something should qualify as evidence.
It's evidence that you hold the opinion but that's all. Just saying something only tells people how you feel or think about a subject. But it doesn't give any facts they can use to make their own decisions on how to feel or think about it (for those who haven't yet formed a firm opinion).
There are some subjects about which I already have an entrenched opinion before I come to this board. Nothing anybody says is likely to sway me (per the linked article). The only thing that would sway me would be a life-changing experience of my own (per my own earlier post).
But when the subject is something that I don't already have an opinion on (e.g. the politics of a country other than my own), then I choose my opinion based on what other people post. And how they frame their arguments when I haven't made up my mind is what sways me. If I'm not yet committed to a particular viewpoint (sometimes because it isn't emotionally a part of my life) then clear, logical arhuments work for me. Links that verify what the person is arguing are good too. They show that the person didn't just make up what they are saying. That's evidence.
But, "because I said so" isn't evidence. And it isn't a very compelling argument.
14 Jun 2011, 6:50 pm
dionysian wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Yeah... that would only apply if you actually provide facts or evidence, which you never do.
The mere fact that I am saying something should qualify as evidence.
14 Jun 2011, 6:54 pm
14 Jun 2011, 6:56 pm
pandabear wrote:
dionysian wrote:
The Truth: When your deepest convictions are challenged by contradictory evidence, your beliefs get stronger.
That would explain a lot about our dear friend Inuyasha.
Sure would.
14 Jun 2011, 8:01 pm
14 Jun 2011, 8:02 pm
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
you've stated opinions rather strongly that have taken up a lot of time and discussion.
Only because people have had a hard time accepting them as true.
14 Jun 2011, 8:33 pm
14 Jun 2011, 8:38 pm
Fnord wrote:
dionysian wrote:
The Backfire Effect
This is why it doesn't really matter what I say... Most of you will never be able to accept it.
Quote:
The Misconception: When your beliefs are challenged with facts, you alter your opinions and incorporate the new information into your thinking.
The Truth: When your deepest convictions are challenged by contradictory evidence, your beliefs get stronger.
The Truth: When your deepest convictions are challenged by contradictory evidence, your beliefs get stronger.
This is why it doesn't really matter what I say... Most of you will never be able to accept it.
Basic stuff.
It's sometimes easier to convince someone through manipulation than through the old claim-evidence-conclusion routine.
No that anyone would believe me, of course.
dionysian wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
you've stated opinions rather strongly that have taken up a lot of time and discussion.
Only because people have had a hard time accepting them as true.
14 Jun 2011, 8:59 pm
dionysian wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
you've stated opinions rather strongly that have taken up a lot of time and discussion.
Only because people have had a hard time accepting them as true.
Whether people accept or not isn't relevant to whether you are opinionated.
14 Jun 2011, 9:06 pm
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
dionysian wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
you've stated opinions rather strongly that have taken up a lot of time and discussion.
Only because people have had a hard time accepting them as true.
Whether people accept or not isn't relevant to whether you are opinionated.
But it wouldn't eat up much time if you guys simply accepted its truth.
14 Jun 2011, 9:14 pm
14 Jun 2011, 9:16 pm
BurntOutMom wrote:
dionysian wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Yeah... that would only apply if you actually provide facts or evidence, which you never do.
The mere fact that I am saying something should qualify as evidence.
I've known a lot of idiots who make a lot of idiotic statements, the only thing that becomes evident is that they are, in fact, idiots.
I am NOT calling you an idiot, I'm just saying that just because some one says it's so, doesn't make it so.
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14 Jun 2011, 9:17 pm
dionysian wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
dionysian wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
you've stated opinions rather strongly that have taken up a lot of time and discussion.
Only because people have had a hard time accepting them as true.
Whether people accept or not isn't relevant to whether you are opinionated.
But it wouldn't eat up much time if you guys simply accepted its truth.
Questions for the begging bowl topic
What exactly do you want accepted as truth? Or is it something to be agreed upon, as in a premise?
Please clarify.
14 Jun 2011, 9:23 pm
Look, I know he's real lonely under the bridge and maybe his mommy didn't give him enough attention as a kid, but sometimes the most humane thing to do is to let him starve. Think of it as refusing to enable a drug addict.
14 Jun 2011, 9:24 pm
dionysian wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Yeah... that would only apply if you actually provide facts or evidence, which you never do.
The mere fact that I am saying something should qualify as evidence.
Oooooh.
They laughed when I slipped under the piano.
How I know the feeling.
This I say - which you should logically take as evidence:
You may be the most honest / smartest / best known / vest liked / most important / best qualified in the world - and people will not take what yiu say as evidence.
You can say the most intriguing / most accepted / wisest / sweetest / most novel thing in the world - and people will not take what you say as evidence.
AND those who do take it as evidence will not necessarily be convinced.
14 Jun 2011, 9:29 pm
sartresue wrote:
dionysian wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
dionysian wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
you've stated opinions rather strongly that have taken up a lot of time and discussion.
Only because people have had a hard time accepting them as true.
Whether people accept or not isn't relevant to whether you are opinionated.
But it wouldn't eat up much time if you guys simply accepted its truth.
Questions for the begging bowl topic
What exactly do you want accepted as truth? Or is it something to be agreed upon, as in a premise?
Please clarify.
Just my opinions, is all. (See bolded section above.)
