Unemployment in the US

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24 Jun 2011, 10:40 pm

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerma ... n-it-looks

Thought this was an important article.....on how employment is looking. =/

What do you guys think?

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24 Jun 2011, 11:10 pm

Obama's economy: change you can believe in.... :roll:

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24 Jun 2011, 11:11 pm

I will admit I sometimes think of Expatriating. I might wait and see how the 2012 election starts to shape up but if I don't see any sign of good new leadership I'll vote with my feet and move. The economy is just one reason.

There are many other policies from this government I'm disgusted with but I don't want to get into to much of a tangent on this discussion.

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24 Jun 2011, 11:26 pm

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Unless all you care about is economics, there's not a whole lot of other places to go that would be better.

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24 Jun 2011, 11:53 pm

John_Browning wrote:

VIDEODROME wrote:

Unless all you care about is economics, there's not a whole lot of other places to go that would be better.

As for economics it depends. For example when I hear a pledge of Billions to Libyans or Egyptians while Detroit is crumbling I feel things are going badly beyond just employment. I don't want to derail the thread with tangent political discussion outside of Economics so I'll just say I think America as a country and economy is unstable right now.

As for an alternatives I've heard Australia is doing okay.

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25 Jun 2011, 12:02 am

VIDEODROME wrote:

John_Browning wrote:

VIDEODROME wrote:

Unless all you care about is economics, there's not a whole lot of other places to go that would be better.

ha ya my dad suggested I move there and become a miner as they are short of workers and are paying well.

I would like too...but I dont really know how to go about that sort of thing...I will put it on my board, need to research it more.

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25 Jun 2011, 1:28 am

make the same complaint when the economy is good and I'll be right there with you.

'cause it's 100% the same when the economy is going well.

fwiw, in my line of work, the current complaint among people who are hiring is that most applicants are over-qualified.

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25 Jun 2011, 1:48 am

VIDEODROME wrote:

The 2012 election is a joke......but I am not sure if its the kind of joke I should laugh at or be disturbed by.

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25 Jun 2011, 8:21 am

If the jobs aren't needed, the jobs aren't needed. So what?

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25 Jun 2011, 8:51 am

pandabear wrote:

If the jobs aren't needed, the jobs aren't needed. So what?

A clear indication that new industries, services and technologies are required to keep the "excess" labor force occupied. OR if there is no need to develop new things then some mode is redistributing the surplus must be formulated.

The logical extreme of the problem is this: Suppose all goods and services could be produced by robots? Then it would be necessary to parcel out the goods and services to now redundant humans. Either that or kill the redundant humans off.

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25 Jun 2011, 8:56 am

ruveyn wrote:

pandabear wrote:

If the jobs aren't needed, the jobs aren't needed. So what?

this is one of the reasons i disagree with how we "value" humans on a state level today, the mentality itself is one of the reasons why neither capitalist nor socialist systems will work today.

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25 Jun 2011, 9:10 am

John_Browning wrote:

Obama's economy: change you can believe in.... :roll:

You mean change for the worse? But soft! According to the government the recession is over! That means things have not gotten worse for six months. But they have not gotten better either. In short we are in the bottom of a slump and not getting out of it.

Obama and his buddies believe the way to get out of this hole is to dig harder and faster.

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25 Jun 2011, 9:15 am

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Either that or kill the redundant humans off.

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Wars and famines do have practical value.

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25 Jun 2011, 9:17 am

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this is one of the reasons i disagree with how we "value" humans on a state level today, the mentality itself is one of the reasons why neither capitalist nor socialist systems will work today.

Fine. Propose an alternative.

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25 Jun 2011, 9:31 am

liveandletdie wrote:

What do you guys think?

As a general observation, I personally think America is well on its way to banana republic status. As that thought relates to this article, I'd say that any statistic vomited up from the bowels of any government agency has to be looked at, and looked at carefully, for political bias. I won't say we've reached the point of out and out lying (a la agricultural production in the old USSR) quite yet, but that seems to be the road we're headed down.

In all probability the numbers are quite a bit worse than those published, but the difference between reality and its funhouse mirror reflection via BLS or whomever is anybody's guess. The author of the piece (Zuckerman) is a Republican stooge of the first order, but you'll notice there's not a peep about the accuracy of any particular claimed figure. This is, of course, due to the fact that Republicans play the same game the same way, though the fun house mirror might assume a slightly different shape. And neither side wants to go there.

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25 Jun 2011, 9:36 am

ruveyn wrote:

Oodain wrote:

this is one of the reasons i disagree with how we "value" humans on a state level today, the mentality itself is one of the reasons why neither capitalist nor socialist systems will work today.

Fine. Propose an alternative.

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migrating the value of money into the area of luxury making all basic neccesities a joint venture?

point is nothing will get done by shouting cliches at eachother, somehing gets done by actually trying, most change we see today serves more as a distraction from the underlying courses.

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