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22 Aug 2011, 5:45 pm

cw10 wrote:
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You know, this thread really makes me think the case for deportation is stronger than I originally thought. America needs to get rid of it's dead weight that only exists to drain the system of vitality, and we need to keep the people who actually can make America great. America needs to start deporting conservatives and giving it's Mexican immigrants citizenship.


Mmm, Sarcasm.

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Does this imply your statements about the dictatorial Obama where not sarcasm?
So with a straight face you think the weakest president since Carter is a dictator?
is the right really that dumb?


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22 Aug 2011, 6:18 pm

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is the right really that dumb?

Yes, they are. And they vote in large numbers. As I've been telling you people for years, democracy is a stupid idea.


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22 Aug 2011, 6:35 pm

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is the right really that dumb?

Yes, they are. And they vote in large numbers. As I've been telling you people for years, democracy is a stupid idea.

A missantropic view on democracy ;) While I sometimes tend to agree with that about democracy, I wonder though if history justifies democracy as the lesser of all evils (to avoid saying the best system). I mean, are there alternative systems that support freedom, human rights, social justice, reform and all that, that we can get from history, as that is what we get under democratic governments in the 20th century?

well, it seems to me that without democracy, the US would be run by republicans, and be a right-wing (likely far on the spectrum) nation, although some people already think it is.



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22 Aug 2011, 6:55 pm

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I mean, are there alternative systems that support freedom, human rights, social justice, reform and all that, that we can get from history, as that is what we get under democratic governments in the 20th century?

Enlightened despotism. Or some form of technocratic republic, eg one where involvement in civil government is restricted to the educated classes.


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22 Aug 2011, 7:08 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
You know, this thread really makes me think the case for deportation is stronger than I originally thought. America needs to get rid of it's dead weight that only exists to drain the system of vitality, and we need to keep the people who actually can make America great. America needs to start deporting conservatives and giving it's Mexican immigrants citizenship.


Mmm, Sarcasm.

:D


Does this imply your statements about the dictatorial Obama where not sarcasm?
So with a straight face you think the weakest president since Carter is a dictator?
is the right really that dumb?


Not sure what you're asking there. I know logic fails liberalism, and that's okay since it's all politics and nothing else anyway. :)

One can not argue with the wind, even if it is a fart.

Perhaps criticism is lost on you, and yet you want democracy.



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22 Aug 2011, 7:09 pm

Orwell wrote:
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I mean, are there alternative systems that support freedom, human rights, social justice, reform and all that, that we can get from history, as that is what we get under democratic governments in the 20th century?

Enlightened despotism. Or some form of technocratic republic, eg one where involvement in civil government is restricted to the educated classes.


If it's not close, the left can't cheat.



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22 Aug 2011, 7:24 pm

Orwell wrote:
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I mean, are there alternative systems that support freedom, human rights, social justice, reform and all that, that we can get from history, as that is what we get under democratic governments in the 20th century?

Enlightened despotism. Or some form of technocratic republic, eg one where involvement in civil government is restricted to the educated classes.


Obama is the "educated classes". He's doing great don't you think?

The original arguments for the constitutional government in America is based around the common man. History, it's what we're made of.



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22 Aug 2011, 7:29 pm

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Obama is the "educated classes". He's doing great don't you think?

Better than Bush, at least.

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The original arguments for the constitutional government in America is based around the common man. History, it's what we're made of.

No it isn't. American government was very elitist at the start.


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22 Aug 2011, 7:33 pm

Orwell wrote:
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I mean, are there alternative systems that support freedom, human rights, social justice, reform and all that, that we can get from history, as that is what we get under democratic governments in the 20th century?

Enlightened despotism. Or some form of technocratic republic, eg one where involvement in civil government is restricted to the educated classes.


I used to think this was a bad idea. Now, I think you may be on to something. We've dumbed it down substantially. Every idiot with a twitter account is an 'expert' on something, and the real experts are dismissed as elitists. I don't go visit a high school dropout when I'm sick. By the same logic, I'd prefer not to leave the fate of our country to people who can't distinguish a government benefit from a paycheck. Perhaps you are wise beyond your years.



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22 Aug 2011, 7:34 pm

cw10 wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
You know, this thread really makes me think the case for deportation is stronger than I originally thought. America needs to get rid of it's dead weight that only exists to drain the system of vitality, and we need to keep the people who actually can make America great. America needs to start deporting conservatives and giving it's Mexican immigrants citizenship.


Mmm, Sarcasm.

:D


Does this imply your statements about the dictatorial Obama where not sarcasm?
So with a straight face you think the weakest president since Carter is a dictator?
is the right really that dumb?


Not sure what you're asking there. I know logic fails liberalism, and that's okay since it's all politics and nothing else anyway. :)

One can not argue with the wind, even if it is a fart.

Perhaps criticism is lost on you, and yet you want democracy.


Are you a bot?
or using a mechanical translator?
How do you know what I want democracy or other wise?
I fear you don't have a firm grasp on the issues at hand.


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22 Aug 2011, 8:18 pm

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Obama is the "educated classes". He's doing great don't you think?

Better than Bush, at least.

From what I've read the war is worse under Obama than it was under Bush.


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22 Aug 2011, 8:25 pm

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the dream act and amnesty would be good for America as most of them are already pretty American in most aspects except for their citizenship status, the same with closing the border off with snipers and special ops until we can afford a puppet government in Mexico to fix their s***, then we can add them to the US (Along with Canada to form the United States of North America (USNA)) keep our constitution and DC as our capital.

Mexico is a poison pill to our society. We'd do best to quarantine it.


but look at all that real estate... all that oil... all that manufacturing capability... large carriers from China and Japan would no longer need to go around the panama canal to the ports in the south when they could either just go through mexico or dock at one of the new ports we construct there.

it would blend our cultures much better, and move mexico a little closer towards capitalism and away from socialism, and provide millions upon millions of mexicans a pathway out of poverty while increasing America's religiosity and reintroduce us to familism.

Even if we don't merge the two countries, we should at least build a tall fence and invest tens of billions of dollars to guarding it, and at the same time demand they change their socialist ways or else we will begin massive deportations on mass, I mean these people are poor, you think they'd adopt the ways of the richer country they leave their own country for.


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22 Aug 2011, 9:14 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:
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the dream act and amnesty would be good for America as most of them are already pretty American in most aspects except for their citizenship status, the same with closing the border off with snipers and special ops until we can afford a puppet government in Mexico to fix their s***, then we can add them to the US (Along with Canada to form the United States of North America (USNA)) keep our constitution and DC as our capital.

Mexico is a poison pill to our society. We'd do best to quarantine it.


but look at all that real estate... all that oil... all that manufacturing capability... large carriers from China and Japan would no longer need to go around the panama canal to the ports in the south when they could either just go through mexico or dock at one of the new ports we construct there.

it would blend our cultures much better, and move mexico a little closer towards capitalism and away from socialism, and provide millions upon millions of mexicans a pathway out of poverty while increasing America's religiosity and reintroduce us to familism.

Even if we don't merge the two countries, we should at least build a tall fence and invest tens of billions of dollars to guarding it, and at the same time demand they change their socialist ways or else we will begin massive deportations on mass, I mean these people are poor, you think they'd adopt the ways of the richer country they leave their own country for.


Mexico has tons of natural resources. However, their society is so screwed up that the only way to make that piece of real estate a functional part of America would be to get rid of all the Mexicans there. That's why I prefer to kick them out of the US, build a wall, and put a garrison along it. It's looking more and more like we are going to need some sort of military intervention there someday so it's best not to increase economic cooperation with them until that is all done with and we've re-established a functional government there again.


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22 Aug 2011, 9:17 pm

Giving Amnesty to Mexican Blankets. How dare he?

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22 Aug 2011, 10:14 pm

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Mexico has tons of natural resources. However, their society is so screwed up that the only way to make that piece of real estate a functional part of America would be to get rid of all the Mexicans there. That's why I prefer to kick them out of the US, build a wall, and put a garrison along it. It's looking more and more like we are going to need some sort of military intervention there someday so it's best not to increase economic cooperation with them until that is all done with and we've re-established a functional government there again.

Your entire story is overly pessimistic. Mexico is legitimately a developing nation, not a stagnant economy and not a society without any potential for improvement. Many of the problems are shared with other developing nations, and thus likely will decrease as the nation gets more developed.



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22 Aug 2011, 10:30 pm

number5 wrote:
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I mean, are there alternative systems that support freedom, human rights, social justice, reform and all that, that we can get from history, as that is what we get under democratic governments in the 20th century?

Enlightened despotism. Or some form of technocratic republic, eg one where involvement in civil government is restricted to the educated classes.


I used to think this was a bad idea. Now, I think you may be on to something. We've dumbed it down substantially. Every idiot with a twitter account is an 'expert' on something, and the real experts are dismissed as elitists. I don't go visit a high school dropout when I'm sick. By the same logic, I'd prefer not to leave the fate of our country to people who can't distinguish a government benefit from a paycheck. Perhaps you are wise beyond your years.


I fail to see how someone is an expert when they tamper with the recorded data just to get the results they want. I was taught that something of that nature was academic dishonesty.