Yukon highest % of "no religion" in Canada
The Yukon has Canada’s highest population of atheists and agnostics, making it the country’s most secular jurisdiction.
More than 11,000 Yukoners (37.4 per cent of the population) say they have “no religion,” according to Statistics Canada.
Canada-wide, the “no religion,” group only constitutes 16 per cent.
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“In the Yukon, the missionary and church work shifted from First Nations to newcomers during and after the Gold Rush,” wrote Yukon historian Ken Coates in an e-mail to the News.
More than 100 years later, aboriginal communities have largely kept the faith.
But among non-aboriginals, church attendance has plummeted.
The Yukon’s lack of worship may simply be a lack of First Nations.
Only one quarter of the Yukon population is aboriginal.
The Northwest Territories, on the other hand, counts just over 50 per cent of its population as First Nations.
NWT’s “no religion” group is only 17 per cent.
At 85 per cent, Nunavut holds Canada’s highest percentage of First Nations.
They also hold the country’s lowest population of atheists and agnostics (only six per cent).
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Over in Alaska, the situation is similar.
The ultra-religious neo-conservatism of former Alaska governor Sarah Palin may have painted the 49th state as a God-fearing Mecca, but the average Alaskan stopped thumping the Bible long ago.
Only 22 per cent of Alaskans regularly attend church services - one of the lowest in the United States, according to a study by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.
A further 31 per cent of Alaskans consider religion “not too important.”
In comments to the Anchorage Daily News, Evangelical Lutheran Bishop Michael Keys attributed mass-secularization to the state’s fierce individualism.
http://www.yukon-news.com/life/14427/
The analogies with Alaska of all places are quite interesting (although, given Alaska borders the Yukon, perhaps it shouldn't be that surprising). I really find the high rates of religiosity among the First Nations in Canada quite sad, as (quite like former African slaves in the USA) it was a religion rammed down their throats in a brutalizing way and it seems to have stuck.
37% seems kind of low. I had no idea Canada was so religious. Also why is it a shame, how is it negatively affecting their lives? I would say it's a shame you're an atheist because it makes you a condescending narcissist. or am i getting the cause and effect back to front?
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It's ashame because it shows that "gunpoint ministries" work and that "rice Christians" remain permanent over the ages.
By the way, I'd like to say that you display the vicious hypocrisy of supposed "good (i.e. Fundie) Christians". Whine and whine about "atheists converting people" and then insinuate narcissism. Its funny that in your other thread you speak of how people generalizing on the basis of bad religious experiences are "a lot like racists" yet you yourself made that whole thread on the basis of generalizations on atheists.
The Christian emperor truly has no clothes.
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Attack the statement/opinion/belief not the person.
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You called Master Pedant " a condescending narcissist" and that was clearly a personal attack.
You might have said instead, "I consider your statement condescending/narcissistic/whatever".
Not sure how to take your claim - as causal: "you're an atheist and that makes you a condescending narcisit" which can be seen as condescending to the other atheists as well?
Let me reiterate - there is a personal attack whose only goal is to demean the other people, and there is ad hominem fallacy which means attempting to undermine a speaker's argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument. Both are forbidden by the rules of conduct.
The fact is that genocide has been made against the population of Native Americans, and Christian faith WAS forced on them, usually by forced conversion.
If somebody said I was an atheist because my father was an atheist I would be extremely insulted. I have a brain and I can make my own opinions.
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They are equally "stupid" as all the people across the globe who follow the religion of their parents.
Anyhow, I'd have more respect if I were you for the native Americans and everything they've been out through just because they weren't white enough:
Approximately four thousand Cherokee perished on this forced walk to western lands. Removal, however, was a larger policy than this one famed act. It occurred both before and after 1830 and represented the belief that American Indians were not capable of existing with nor desired to coexist with white settlers. There were conflicting motivations behind the policy. For some, it was a thinly veiled method of evicting Native Americans from land that was desired by white settlers. For others, it was based on the belief that Native Americans were members of an inferior civilization that could not survive in the civilized world and therefore needed to be removed for their own sake. Either way, some scholars reference the federal removal policy as a genocidal act due to the death and proprietary loss incurred to Native Americans as well as the destruction of their traditional way of life.
A second and particularly destructive policy was that of assimilation. Behind assimilation policies lies the desire to remove all that is "Indian" from the Native Americans. A particularly poignant historical example of how this policy was also tied to the continued desire for more land is the General Allotment Act of 1887 (the Dawes Act). This act terminated communal land holdings on the reservations and redistributed land to individual Native Americans by a trust system. After twenty-five years, they would own the land individually and become U.S. citizens. Any "surplus" land would be taken for sale to settlers. It was an attempt to assimilate Native-American traditions of communal land holdings to the Euro-American system of private ownership. Thereby, it was thought, Native Americans would join mainstream society and, at the same time, require less land. This act had disastrous effects on traditional Native-American life and reduced their land holdings by two-thirds.
Yet another assimilation policy was the forced removal of Native-American children from their parental homes to boarding schools for "civilized" education. The Northwest Ordinance of 1787 established an involuntary boarding-school system where children were typically forbidden to speak their native language and were stripped of all outward native characteristics. The Carlisle Indian Industrial School was one of these schools and incorporated an "outing system" whereby children were placed with white families in order to learn American customs and values. While having the good intention to provide education to Native-American children, this system of indoctrination was also aimed at "killing the Indian and saving the man" (Glauner, 2002, p. 10) as Richard Pratt of the Carlisle School said. In the twenty-first century, this policy would be considered both a potential violation of the UN Genocide Convention's prohibition on transferring children from one group to another, and a blatant intention to cleanse the Indian population of their native language and cultural values through the re-education of their children.
A clearer example of a federal genocidal act against Native Americans was the involuntary sterilization of approximately seventy thousand Native-American women. The federally funded Indian Health Services carried out these sterilizations between 1930 and the mid-1970s. They were often done without informed consent, covertly, or under a fraudulent diagnosis of medical necessity. This directly contravenes the UN Genocide Convention. Destroying a group's ability to reproduce is an obvious and crude method of ensuring the inability of the group's survival.
Whether government actions such as the Trail of Tears and assimilation policies qualify as genocidal acts or as crimes against humanity continues to be a subject of much disagreement and debate. The UN Genocide Convention requires that a state actor have "intent to destroy" a group to satisfy the definition of genocide. As previously outlined, many of the actions taken by the federal, state, and colonial governments fell short of actual intent to destroy the Native Americans. Scholars Frank Chalk and Kurt Jonassohn maintain that the closest cases are the massacres at Sand Creek and of the Yuki of Round Valley (a modern example would be the sterilization programs). In both instances, government officials played key roles in facilitating the purposeful killing of Native Americans. The circumstances under which the United States committed genocide against Native Americans tended to be when other methods failed to clear a path to settlement, or other notions of progress. "Ethnocide was the principal United States policy toward American Indians in the nineteenth century . . . the federal government stood ready to engage in genocide as a means of coercing tribes when they resisted ethnocide or resorted to armed resistance" (Chalk and Jonassohn, 1990, p. 203).
Genocide and Crimes against humanity
Not to mention that late Pope John Paul II apologised for the forced conversion of the native tribes in both Americas in his public apology in 2000; and so did the US government that very year:
No longer can we remain indifferent and justify these acts of genocide committed by the United States government, its agencies, and its personnel against Native Americans as a result of colonization or the need to establish a prosperous union. Instead, the United States government, its agencies, and those involved with carrying out the measures designed to inflict genocidal acts against the Native American population must be held in violation of customary international law, as well as conventional international law, as proscribed in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Genocide Convention).
The US and the Crime of Genocide Against native Americans
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Their conversion may have been brutal just like it was in many other places, but Christianity and a lot of American Indian beliefs have enough parallels that conversion CAN be a smooth transition. I once saw an American Indian church that was even able to weave traditional ceremonies into their worship that it didn't conflict with the Bible.
What came first? The chicken or the egg?

Okay, I could be serious about that but that would end up way outside the forum rules. If you are a conservative you tend to get held to stricter rules around here. All I can say is watch the PPR forum for a while and you will have all your answers.
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In many cases it's nothing but a cultural thing, which I agree with you is pretty lame. Then again nobody wants to be an outcast, so in such small communities, religion can be a cohesive to keep the community from completely falling apart. (They have the highest rate of alcoholism and suicide in whole US so while I'm not advocating their adherence to Christianity or any other religion I can understand it.) However it would have been better for their own personal sense of self awareness/belonging to the community that they kept their original tribal practices more intact. Yet with such aggressive US policy of assimilation, I'm not surprised that they succumbed.
For anyone interested a documentary on the state of Native Americans now:
http://vimeo.com/21074930
(Documentary is in English with Romanian subtitles)
And a book: A little matter of genocide
"Gunpoint ministries", I think, is a pretty obvious neologism - mainly, ministries that convert people at the end of a gun (or sword or navel blockade). "Rice Christians" refers to the phenomena of impoverished individuals in China "converting" to Christianity in order to gain food (rice) that wasn't in great supply after the (Western induced, Christian missionary supported) Opium Wars.
And its bad for many reasons. For one, it proves that human morale can be effectively crushed and that persuasion via force does work. In the United States, a developed country with absurdly low levels of state funded social welfare, the Church has taken many important functions in African American communities. If you're an impoverished African American, openly rejecting religious indoctrination can lead to ostracism and the loss of essential supports. Furthermore, despite some work by the Rev. Al Sharpton to curtail this, there still is rampanant homophobia and social conservatism on non-death penalty related matters in the more "evangelical" Black Church, Native American Churches in the USA are also ravingly fundamentalist. In Canada, given that all denominations are a little more mainline than in the US, the situation isn't is bad - still, many socially conservative "ethnic" Churches instil social doctrines that are counterproductive to the moral progress and broad progressive coalitions for change.
http://vimeo.com/21074930
(Documentary is in English with Romanian subtitles)
And a book: A little matter of genocide
First part of a dramatic film based on Residential Schools.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZkJhWTfuPw[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXO68LCB8kU&feature=related[/youtube]

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